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Nature of sound -



krsnamrita - Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:03:16 +0530
Madhavanandaji,


Sri Prema Bhakti Chandrika (23-25), Sudha kanika vyakya:

"Sound means dhvani. Sound has power to make something undestandable."

What means dhvani? Is it gayatri - sound, if one chents gayatry in mind? If gayatri is sound and Hari-nam or kirtana is sound what difference between them? What nature of sonds? How divine sound come in in matirial nature? If sanskrit come out from Narayana and if it is divine sound, is it manifest ferst as sound in mind? What difference between audible sound a not audible sound? How it is posible to hear, but not listen?

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Krsna dasi
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Madhava - Wed, 22 Oct 2003 01:06:57 +0530
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What means dhvani? Is it gayatri - sound, if one chants gayatri in mind?

In this verse, dhvani certainly refers to an audible sound.

However, the principle of both audible and inaudible (mental) sound is the same. As far as words are concerned, both are verbal representations of a concept, and these "dhvani" invoke the represented object within the mind.


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If gayatri is sound and Hari-nam or kirtana is sound what difference between them?

The purpose of both of them is to captivate the mind and to absorb it in thoughts of Hari. The difference is in their captivating power. The mind is commonly restless, desiring to wander here and there according to the sensory input received from the five senses. For a person whose mind is restless, mental sound-representation of Hari may not be a very effective means of absorbing the mind in thoughts of Hari, since the mind is constantly contemplating on the data streaming in from the senses. However, in kirtana all the senses also become absorbed in matters related with Hari and His name, and the mind is effectively brought in contact with thoughts of Hari.

This matter is discussed in further detail in Sanatana Gosvami's Brihat Bhagavatamritam, third chapter of the second part, from verse 143 onwards.


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How divine sound come in in material nature?

When the Lord descends into this world, He blesses the world with His divine name, form, qualities and pastimes. Aside this, a word used for describing Him is divine, for it describes the divine, although apparently consisting of syllables of this world. Nothing is material or spiritual as such; it is the intent of the observer which defines its nature.


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If Sanskrit come out from Narayana and if it is divine sound, is it manifest first as sound in mind?

The second and third cantos of the Bhagavata describe how the creation unfolds beginning from the subtle elements down to the gross elements. Naturally, initially everything exists as a conception of that which is to be created, and then creation takes place.


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What difference between audible sound a not audible sound?

The first is manifest as vibration in an intermediate agent, the second is manifest as a conception in the mind.


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How it is posible to hear, but not listen?

The senses, including the auditory sense, are constantly bombarded by vast amounts of information. Most of it does not reach the stage where the intellect actively recognizes it and examines its import. Depending on the focus of our attention, irrelevant sensory data is filtered out and relevant sensory data is allowed in.


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All questions are appropriate. Only topics which are inflammatory in nature (such as current political issues) are best avoided, if possible. Philosophy is always welcome.