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Songs in Gaudiya temples -
Gouri - Fri, 08 Nov 2002 22:36:33 +0530
Radhe Radhe !
jay Vaishnava Takhura !
Dear devotees, I have been in India around Summer in 97. Because I didn't have that Sukrit requested to be in a holy Dhama, my misfortune carried me as if it was my destiny.
In other words I didn't have the opportunity to meet with Srila Ananta das Pandita. I enter into the the templo complex acompained by my husband, Hari Saran, and a friend from Bombay named Navadvaipa das, the best mrdanga player that I ever met. So anyway, we stayed in the templo and outside of it, for about 30 minutes at most, we had chapatis and rice as Prasada, but the Altar was closed. Looking back, it was "if a flash of light suddenly had clear the path in a dark night, and disappeared on the same speed".
My request for you, dear devotees are : if you have a picture or pictures of the templo, dieties, anything that could help us to keep in mind and in the heart that beautiful place. What about songs for Arati, is there any, wich are them ?
Could you do that ?
Your servant
Madhava - Sun, 10 Nov 2002 00:27:52 +0530
This must be the Gopinath Mandir you are speaking about, is it not? The one with Raghunatha Das Gosvami's samadhi inside, on the bank of Radha Kund next to Jahnava Devi's baithaka. Sri Ananta Dasji's ashram is on the opposite side of the road.
Mina - Sun, 10 Nov 2002 00:45:05 +0530
The mangal aroti song is not in sAdhaka-kaNTha-mAlA, but I copied it down from a guru-bhai's notebook:
(This appears to be Brij-bhasha, a hybrid of Bengali and Hindi. There is no standard transliteration for either Bengali or Brij-bhasha, so to get the pronunciation right requires hearing it sung or knowing those languages.)
Refrain:
jaya rAdhe zrI rAdhe jaya jaya
rAdhe govinda jaya rAdhe
ThAkura hAmArA nandakIlAlA
ThAkurAnI zrImati rAdhe
eka pAlaKke duntu jana baiThane
duntu mukh sundara sAje
rAtun carane maNimaya nUpura
runu junu runu junu bAje
zyAma-gale vanamAlA virAje
rAi-gale mati sAje
zyAma-zire mayUra mukuTa
rAi-zire veni vani sAje
zyAma parecchan pita vAsa
rAi nIlamvarI sAje
bhuvana mohana sane bhuvana mohinI
ekAsane virAje
zrI vRndAvana me kusuma kAnane
bhramarA hariguNa gAoye
zrI vRndAvana me nikatA yamunA
murali tAna zunAoye
cACcar cikura mayUra kANThita
kaCcita keza virAje
sArIzuka gAna kare tamAlera jale
tapana tanayA mohana muralI
zuni ujAna vahi cale
mayUra mayUrI rava kOkilera dhvani
dAsa manohara karatAi nivedana
dayA kara zrImati rAdhe
………………………………………….
The rest of these are found in the above mentioned text.
zrI-zrI yugalakizorera maGgala-Arati-kIrtana:
maGgala Arati yugala kizora
jaya jaya karatanhi sakhigaNa bhora
ratana pradIpa kare Talamala thora
nirakhata mukhavidhu zyAma sugora
lalitA vizAkhA sakhI premete Agora
karata niramaJjana donhe duhun bhora
vRndAvana kuJjahi bhuvana ujora
mUrati manohara yugala kizora
gAota zuka pika nAcata mayUra
cAnda upekhi mukha nirakhe cakora
bAjata vividha vAdya yantra ghana ghora
zyAmAnanda Anande bAjAya jayatora
Mina - Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:01:33 +0530
Evening Arati for Sri Gauranga
bhAli gorAcAndera Arati vani
bAje saKkirtane sumadhura dhvani
zAKka bAje ghaTtA bAje bAje karatAla
madhura mRdaGga bAje zunite rasAla
vividha suSama phule vani vanamAlA
Zata koTi candra jini vadana ujalA
brahmA Adi deva yAKko karayoDha kare
sahasravadane phaNI zire chatra dhare
ziva zuka nArada vyAsa visAre
nAhi parAtpara bhava vibhore
zrinivAsa haridAsa paCcama gAoye
narahari gadAdhara cAmara TulAoye
vIravallabhadAsa zrigaura caraNe Aza
jagabhari rahala mahimA prakAza
Gouri - Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:00:22 +0530
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This appears to be Brij-bhasha, a hybrid of Bengali and Hindi. There is no standard transliteration for either Bengali or Brij-bhasha, so to get the pronunciation right requires hearing it sung or knowing those languages.)
This appears to me that i will never be able to sing this beautiful songs.
I do have a simple idea: what about a tape or cd or at least the english translation of them. That probably will be the easy way for me to start. Don you think ? Let me know which one of them you have available.
Thank you for your time and kindness.
Ys
Revati Jay Gour-Gadadhar !
Madhava - Sat, 23 Nov 2002 19:24:22 +0530
Gouri - Mon, 25 Nov 2002 02:43:21 +0530
QUOTE(Madhava @ Nov. 23 2002,07:54)
Hari Bol, Radhe Radhe !
Thanks for you attention ! I will get in touch with Advaita das to find out about the CD .
I do have another question, if you don't mind... ? The question is : why in GM's song books the name of Siddha Krishna das Babaji is never mentioned, but they do sing songs composed by him, such as : Sri Vraja-Dhama-Mahimamrta and Sri Tulasi-Kirtana; these songs, both of them , finish with a prayer : dina krisna-dase
And by the way, do you have any picture of this Great Soul ?
Revati
Madhava - Mon, 25 Nov 2002 02:52:24 +0530
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I do have another question, if you don't mind... ? The question is : why in GM's song books the name of Siddha Krishna das Babaji is never mentioned, but they do sing songs composed by him, such as : Sri Vraja-Dhama-Mahimamrta and Sri Tulasi-Kirtana; these songs, both of them , finish with a prayer : dina krisna-dase
I don't think it is Siddha Krishnadas Baba who is the author of this song. He was a Narottami, and the song ends "sri jahnava pada-padma koriya smaran | dina krishna-dasa kohe nama sankirtan", obviously the work of someone from Nityananda parivar.
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And by the way, do you have any picture of this Great Soul ?
The first box camera (Kodak) was invented in 1888. I do not know the exact dates of Siddhababa's birth and departure, but I believe he departed before that. I have never seen a painting of him either, though one probably exists somewhere at Govardhan. I may look it up and try to take a photo next time I am there.
Gouri - Mon, 25 Nov 2002 03:44:27 +0530
QUOTE(Madhava @ Nov. 24 2002,15:22)
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I do have another question, if you don't mind... ? The question is : why in GM's song books the name of Siddha Krishna das Babaji is never mentioned, but they do sing songs composed by him, such as : Sri Vraja-Dhama-Mahimamrta and Sri Tulasi-Kirtana; these songs, both of them , finish with a prayer : dina krisna-dase
I don't think it is Siddha Krishnadas Baba who is the author of this song. He was a Narottami, and the song ends "sri jahnava pada-padma koriya smaran | dina krishna-dasa kohe nama sankirtan", obviously the work of someone from Nityananda parivar.
According to Gadadhara Prana Das : Siddha krisna das babaji of Govardana,* compiled two Asta-kaka-lila texts wich are highly regarded in the Gaudiya Vaisnava world, Sri Bhavana-sara-sangraha and the Gutika* Bhavana-sara-samgraha is a compilation of 3100 verses collected from thirty-four major works of the Gosvamis. In the Gutika, Siddha-Baba presents a detailed guide of how to meditate on Vraja-Lila in Manjari-bhava.
*Siddha-Krisna dasa ( also known as Dina Krisna das) is a conteporary of Visvanatha Cakravarti. It was Radharani Herself Who appeared and ordered him to write the Gutika. His Kirtana-padas as "jay radhe,jay krisna, jay vrindavana" and Tulasi-arati are often mistaken for Krishna das Kaviraja's writting.
* The Gutika is a lila-smarana manual that skillfully blends both Sri Gouranga's and Sri Krisna's Asta-Kala-lilas together.
So which Siddha Krisna das babaji we are all talking about ?
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And by the way, do you have any picture of this Great Soul ?
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The first box camera (Kodak) was invented in 1888. I do not know the exact dates of Siddhababa's birth and departure, but I believe he departed before that. I have never seen a painting of him either, though one probably exists somewhere at Govardhan. I may look it up and try to take a photo next time I am there.
Yes ! That will be nice if you could take a picture with your digital camera, of this century, and share it with all of us .
Revati
Madhava - Mon, 25 Nov 2002 04:16:34 +0530
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Siddha-Krisna dasa ( also known as Dina Krisna das) is a conteporary of Visvanatha Cakravarti. It was Radharani Herself Who appeared and ordered him to write the Gutika. His Kirtana-padas as "jay radhe,jay krisna, jay vrindavana" and Tulasi-arati are often mistaken for Krishna das Kaviraja's writting.
I believe this is a misunderstanding altogether. To begin with, Siddha Krishnadas Baba was not a contemporary of Visvanatha. Visvanatha disappeared from this world around 1708. Siddha Baba took birth some time after 1750, being a contemporary of Siddha Jayakrishna Das Babaji and Siddha Jagannatha Das Babaji (whose vesa-guru he was).
Mina - Mon, 25 Nov 2002 04:26:05 +0530
QUOTE(Madhava @ Nov. 24 2002,15:22)
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And by the way, do you have any picture of this Great Soul ?
The first box camera (Kodak) was invented in 1888. I do not know the exact dates of Siddhababa's birth and departure, but I believe he departed before that. I have never seen a painting of him either, though one probably exists somewhere at Govardhan. I may look it up and try to take a photo next time I am there.
Madhava - Mon, 25 Nov 2002 04:36:12 +0530
QUOTE(Ananga @ Nov. 24 2002,16:56)
The Dagguereotype process was perfected in 1837, so it is possible that there might have been some photographs taken in India of famous saints prior to 1888, although they would undoubtedly be quite rare. There were quite a few photographers around prior to Kodak's box camera, hence all of those photographs from the Civil War era (1860s). I seem to recall seeing some photographs of various Indian maharajas that were earlier than 1888.
As far as I just read, the first "practical" camera was made in 1888. I couldn't imagine that someone would have gone to Vraja, taking big trouble to photograph the mahatmas there prior to that with all that troublesome equipment.
I noted that your website has a picture of one Krishna Das Babaji, whose tilak I cannot see clearly, and also a picture of another Krishna Das Babaji, who, judging by his tilak, would be a follower of Barha Baba. Who are they?
Mina - Mon, 25 Nov 2002 04:55:32 +0530
Good question. I was given those photos as a gift, but did not get any details about them.
Here's some early photos taken in India:
http://www.asia.si.edu/exhibitions/ittl.htm
You are probably right about the odds being against any such photos of babajis being taken back then, which is why I said they would have to be extremely rare.
Advaitadas - Mon, 25 Nov 2002 08:43:45 +0530
The oldest photographs I have seen of Sri Radhakunda date from 100 years back. Very beautiful and very interesting. Unfortunately I have no copies to show here.
Gouri - Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:04:41 +0530
QUOTE(Madhava @ Nov. 24 2002,16:46)
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Siddha-Krisna dasa ( also known as Dina Krisna das) is a conteporary of Visvanatha Cakravarti. It was Radharani Herself Who appeared and ordered him to write the Gutika. His Kirtana-padas as "jay radhe,jay krisna, jay vrindavana" and Tulasi-arati are often mistaken for Krishna das Kaviraja's writting.
I believe this is a misunderstanding altogether. To begin with, Siddha Krishnadas Baba was not a contemporary of Visvanatha. Visvanatha disappeared from this world around 1708. Siddha Baba took birth some time after 1750, being a contemporary of Siddha Jayakrishna Das Babaji and Siddha Jagannatha Das Babaji (whose vesa-guru he was).
Thank you for all this informations !
It is incredible how a wrong information can take one's bhajan far away from reality; I thought that the statement made by G.P.D was correct and I use to meditate in the song: "jay radhe ,jay Krisna , jay vrindavan", while thinking that Siddha Krisna Babaji composed that ...
So, anyway, but what about of the rest of the information in G.P.D statements , is that at least partially correct ? Did Srimat Radharani actually asked Siddhababa to write the Gutika ?
Revati dasi
Advaitadas - Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:43:22 +0530
Everyone is trying to drag all anonymous mahatmas into their own camp. I am almost 100% certain that Jay Radhe Jay Krishna Jaya Vrindavana and the Tulasi song are written by different Krishna Dasas and that they were neither Krishnadas Kaviraja nor Siddha Krishna das. Go to India. Not only among sadhus, even amongst ordinary people there are millions of Krishna dasas, just now, let alone in the last 250-odd years.
Radhapada - Mon, 25 Nov 2002 14:07:43 +0530
One thing for sure, whoever that servant of Krsna (Krsna das) was, he wrote some beautiful songs! :love:
Madhava - Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:06:02 +0530
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So, anyway, but what about of the rest of the information in G.P.D statements , is that at least partially correct ? Did Srimat Radharani actually asked Siddhababa to write the Gutika ?
This is a famous history presented for example in O.B.L. Kapoor's Vraja Ke Bhakta, and I believe also in Haridas Dasji's Gaudiya Vaishnava Abhidhana. You can find O.B.L. Kapoor's version of the story from the saints-page of Raganuga.Com.
Hari Saran - Sun, 29 Dec 2002 21:31:19 +0530
QUOTE(Advaitadas @ Nov 25 2002, 08:13 AM)
Everyone is trying to drag all anonymous mahatmas into their own camp. I am almost 100% certain that Jay Radhe Jay Krishna Jaya Vrindavana and the Tulasi song are written by different Krishna Dasas and that they were neither Krishnadas Kaviraja nor Siddha Krishna das. Go to India. Not only among sadhus, even amongst ordinary people there are millions of Krishna dasas, just now, let alone in the last 250-odd years.
From the introduction of Raga Vartma Candrika commented by a GM's Guru (S.N.M.), we find another anonymous Krishna Dasa, page xxv:
A Vaishnava composer of verses named Krishna dasa has written the following lines at the conclusion of translations of Srila Cakravati Thakura's Madhurya-Kadambini:madhurya kadambini grantha jagata kaila dhanya
chakravarti mukhe vakta apani sri krisna caitanya
keha kahena cakravati sri rupera avatara
kathina ye tattva sarala karite pracara
ohe guna-nidhi sri visvanatha cakravarti
ki janiba tomara guna mini mudha mati
Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura has benedited the whole world by writing the book Madhurya-Kadambini. In reality, Sri Krishna Caitanya Mahaprabhu is the speaker of this book. He has spoken it through the mouth of Sri Cakravarti. Some people say that Sri Cakravarti Thakura is an incarnation of Srila Rupa Gosvami. He is very expert in the art of describing exstremely complex truth in an easily understanding manner. O ocean of mercy, Sri Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura! I am a great fool. Kindly reveal the mystery of your transcendental qualities in my heart. This is my prayer at your lotus feet.Is it possible to identify who is this Krishna Dasa ?
Madhava - Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:30:11 +0530
This sounds like Krishnadeva Sarvabhauma, one prominent disciple of Visvanatha's, who wrote a number of tikas to his writings. In addition, there is yet another Krishna Das, a disciple of Visvanatha, who is said to be the author of Gauranga Lilamrita.
However, Krishnadeva Sarvabhauma and this Krishna Das are still different from Krishna Das the song writer who wrote Jaya Radhe Jaya Krishna Jaya Vrindavan.