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Prove Christ exists, judge orders priest -

Gaurasundara - Thu, 05 Jan 2006 05:55:48 +0530
Looks like a test-case if we ever need to prove Krishna's existence. biggrin.gif

The Times, UK
Jan. 3, 2005
Richard Owen in Rome
Religion News Blog (Visit URL for more links)

An Italian judge has ordered a priest to appear in court this month to prove that Jesus Christ existed.

The case against Father Enrico Righi has been brought in the town of Viterbo, north of Rome, by Luigi Cascioli, a retired agronomist who once studied for the priesthood but later became a militant atheist. Signor Cascioli, author of a book called The Fable of Christ, began legal proceedings against Father Righi three years ago after the priest denounced Signor Cascioli in the parish newsletter for questioning Christ’s historical existence.

Yesterday Gaetano Mautone, a judge in Viterbo, set a preliminary hearing for the end of this month and ordered Father Righi to appear. The judge had earlier refused to take up the case, but was overruled last month by the Court of Appeal, which agreed that Signor Cascioli had a reasonable case for his accusation that Father Righi was “abusing popular credulity”. Signor Cascioli’s contention — echoed in numerous atheist books and internet sites — is that there was no reliable evidence that Jesus lived and died in 1st-century Palestine apart from the Gospel accounts, which Christians took on faith. There is therefore no basis for Christianity, he claims.

Signor Cascioli’s one-man campaign came to a head at a court hearing last April when he lodged his accusations of “abuse of popular credulity” and “impersonation”, both offences under the Italian penal code. He argued that all claims for the existence of Jesus from sources other than the Bible stem from authors who lived “after the time of the hypothetical Jesus” and were therefore not reliable witnesses. Signor Cascioli maintains that early Christian writers confused Jesus with John of Gamala, an anti-Roman Jewish insurgent in 1st-century Palestine. Church authorities were therefore guilty of “substitution of persons”.

The Roman historians Tacitus and Suetonius mention a “Christus” or “Chrestus”, but were writing “well after the life of the purported Jesus” and were relying on hearsay. Father Righi said there was overwhelming testimony to Christ’s existence in religious and secular texts. Millions had in any case believed in Christ as both man and Son of God for 2,000 years. “If Cascioli does not see the sun in the sky at midday, he cannot sue me because I see it and he does not,” Father Righi said.

Signor Cascioli said that the Gospels themselves were full of inconsistencies and did not agree on the names of the 12 apostles. He said that he would withdraw his legal action if Father Righi came up with irrefutable proof of Christ’s existence by the end of the month.

The Vatican has so far declined to comment.


• The Gospels say that Jesus was born to the Virgin Mary in Bethlehem, grew up in Nazareth, preached and performed miracles in Galilee and died on the Cross in Jerusalem

• In his Antiquities of the Jews at the end of the 1st century, Josephus, the Jewish historian, refers to Jesus as “a wise man, a doer of wonderful works” who “drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles”

• Muslims believe Jesus was a great prophet. Many Jewish theologians regard Jesus as an itinerant rabbi who popularised many of the beliefs of liberal Jews. Neither Muslims nor Jews believe he was the Messiah and Son of God

• Tacitus, the Roman historian who lived from 55 to 120, mentions “Christus” in his Annals. In about 120 Suetonius, author of The Lives of the Caesars, says: “Since the Jews constantly made disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus, Emperor Claudius expelled them from Rome.”
Vishwajeet - Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:05:33 +0530
QUOTE(Gaurasundara @ Jan 5 2006, 05:55 AM)
An Italian judge has ordered a priest to appear in court this month to prove that Jesus Christ existed.

Those who are looking for "satisfactory material proofs" (or evidences) of Krsna's existence can never actually find them because Krsna is transcendental.
It's just their misfortune who doesn't think Krsna exists. It's a matter of faith in beginning & realizations in later stages. The transcendental realizations can't be "shown to their mundane eyes" & they can't be recorded in "material cameras".

The problem is: if the questioners are fortunate, only then they can believe in His existence. If they aren't, then Krsna's deluding energy is enough to make them "disbelive in His existence" & put them in ignorance. The solution for them is to go for yoga -- a vidhi to "experimentally" realize Him. And among yogas, best & most complete is bhakti yoga. It may be slow but it's complete.

They never think where they are. They can't even explain existence of mind, ego & intelligence which they ordinarily experence. They can't even explain "what is trying to make them disbelieve in Krsna" what to speak of explaining the bliss we get from devotional service. And they move out to say: "prove Krsna exists". The answer is do yoga practice, succeed & see the proof.
babu - Thu, 05 Jan 2006 22:42:53 +0530
QUOTE(Vishwajeet @ Jan 5 2006, 06:35 AM)
Those who are looking for "satisfactory material proofs" (or evidences) of Krsna's existence can never actually find them because Krsna is transcendental.

The inspiration of so many secularists is the ignorance of church and its hegemony whether it be east or west as the liberal mindset of the atheist has done much to create a saner world that we as theists should be giving Krishna a big thanks for those who don't believe in him.