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Open letter -



TarunGovindadas - Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:34:40 +0530
Dandavats.
Madhava - Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:45:29 +0530
QUOTE(TarunGovindadas @ Jun 30 2005, 01:04 PM)
Maybe you have too much work on your shoulders and you need to relax a bit from all that PC/net-stuff...

If you share a concern over my burden of work, then please consider spending time reflecting on how to relieve it on your own part through introspection and subsequent activities. If you observe someone's behavior towards you changing over time, please spend time reflecting on possible reasons for that.

I believe I have given you a good many tips in the course of our exchanges that would in all likelihood cut down on a good deal of the conflicts you've faced in your exchanges with numerous devotees. When I see that what was said on one day becomes forgotten on the next, then how can you expect me to extend the same courtesies without an end? I am not a miracle man, I do not have infinite patience or energy.
Madhava - Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:48:52 +0530
May I ask, why do you insist on doing all this processing before the grand public? You place your heart before a thousand observers, and then you complain if it hurts.
Madhava - Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:52:59 +0530
QUOTE(TarunGovindadas @ Jun 30 2005, 01:04 PM)
Open letter to Rasaraja:
Publicly you tell now everybody that you apologized to Tarun but in the same PM you tell me this:
"If you are mature enough, you are more than welcome to PM-me."

If someone is interested in the context of this statement, it appears in a PM in response to the following message from Tarun Govinda:

QUOTE(Tarun Govinda's PM)
You do not have the right to judge me so vehemently.

Sure, you just respond to things I have said.
Did you care to understand why I said them?
No. You just started to hammer away.

Whatever.

All glories to allmighty moderators!

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Here are the exact words of Rasaraja in response to the above:

QUOTE(Rasaraja's PM)
When you are prepared for mature dialogue you are more than welcome to PM me again. I don't have the time or the inclination to clip back and forth with you over your consistent ability to shoot off your mouth just to apologize and take it back later.

If you want to drag all of this into the public arena, then people should see both sides of the story. I understand that a factor in wanting to make all of this public is a desire to be understood and to receive sympathy. However, - that is, if you really want to go down that alley - please remember to present both sides of the story and give contexts to events and statements.
Tapati - Fri, 01 Jul 2005 03:34:48 +0530
I remember being a young devotee and feeling like my standard of behavior had to represent the movement and my spiritual master. I think a lot of us tried to artificially pretend and behave as if we were more advanced, peaceful, compassionate, calm, etc., then we actually were. I remember we also pressured each other to hold to that artificial standard. Of course it's hard to make genuine progress when you don't start with what is real.

I find myself wondering if part of the unspoken tension here is being frustrated with Tarun because he doesn't immediately display the effects or advancement of the traditional GV path in the way you would prefer him to?

I'm not saying that is the case, I can't know your hearts and minds. I just wonder.

I see in all of these exchanges something more personal going on here than usual moderator/member interactions. If it's really become so heated from past interactions, maybe a break is needed for all parties.
Madhava - Fri, 01 Jul 2005 03:38:20 +0530
Tapati, it isn't about becoming perfect overnight. It's about learning to recognize one's limits and attempting to stay out of situations one recognizes as almost invariably leading to unpleasant exchanges in which someone's going to feel hurt in the end.
Tapati - Fri, 01 Jul 2005 04:29:29 +0530
QUOTE(Madhava @ Jun 30 2005, 02:08 PM)
Tapati, it isn't about becoming perfect overnight. It's about learning to recognize one's limits and attempting to stay out of situations one recognizes as almost invariably leading to unpleasant exchanges in which someone's going to feel hurt in the end.




If we all followed this advice, we certainly wouldn't have become moderators! wink.gif
TarunGovindadas - Fri, 01 Jul 2005 14:07:17 +0530
First of all, what is immature with this?

QUOTE
You do not have the right to judge me so vehemently.

Sure, you just respond to things I have said.
Did you care to understand why I said them?
No. You just started to hammer away.

Whatever.

All glories to allmighty moderators!


So, it is not arrogant to answer like this:

QUOTE
When you are prepared for mature dialogue you are more than welcome to PM me again. I don't have the time or the inclination to clip back and forth with you over your consistent ability to shoot off your mouth just to apologize and take it back later.



Ok, be it as you said, your honour.

I deeply apologize for disturbing the moderators that much.
Please forgive my offenses.
I hope we can be nice with each other when we meet again.

Dear Madhava,
please CLOSE my account. For good.
No, I am not slamming the door.
With lowered head, I quietly leave.
Please do it as soon as possible and dont ask me if am sure to do this.
I am.
Following your good advice.

I hope you are not so pissed with me and again I thank you for all.

See you in Vraja
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Tarunji
Madhava - Fri, 01 Jul 2005 18:40:57 +0530
Since this is now the god-knows-how-manieth-time, I'll oblige and remove your account right away. Thank you for all of your contributions in the forums.

As a general principle, if you want to have your account closed, want to have it done immediately and declare it in a public post, please don't include questions in the same post.

Since Tarun Govinda's account is now closed, please direct any follow-ups on his posts above directly to his e-mail address, do not discuss them in this thread.