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Jesus as a Saviour - Relevent aspects of Christianity

anuraag - Fri, 10 Jun 2005 01:03:37 +0530
Q.200) What do you mean by saving? Will Jesus save me
if I accept Him as my saviour? What is truth?
What is the kingdom of God? Who is Satan?

Why rituals are more in Hinduism and not in Christianity?
What do you think about worshipping idols, approaching astrologers,
and people having super natural powers? How do you explain
the Heaven of Kingdom compared in several ways in Holy
Bible? Please explain

(1) Luke: 9: 60-62 2) Luke : 12 : 51-53 3) Mathew: 6 :
8 4) John : 18 : 37-38
5) Mathew 11 : 28-30 6) Mathew 5 : 3-8). -----
By Shri. Anil Antony, Mumbai.

Saving from the troubles and misery is the
general sense of the word saving. In spiritual sense
saving means cutting all the worldly bonds and
establishing real bond with God, Who alone is the
truth? God is truth. This means that God is infinite
power. The creation is just His imagination and is
almost not true. The imagining person is said to truly
exist. The world, which is just His imagination and
which is completely not anything.

The world is made of an iota of energy of God. God is like the infinite
ocean of energy. Compared to God the world is almost
nothing. Thus this entire creation is under the full
control of God. Just like the person doing some
imagination creates an imaginary world in him, God
created this imaginary world in Him. The imagining
person can fully control the world. He can transform
any item into any other item. He can raise a dead body
in His imaginary world. All the miracles of human
incarnations can be explained only by this concept.

God who is present in the human incarnation does all
these miracles only to establish this concept. If the
world is equally true, then the world is equally
powerful to God. In such case God cannot do whatever
He likes. Since the world is least powerful and God is
most powerful, God controls the entire world like a
very strong person controlling very weak person. Thus
the world truth indicates the omni-potent nature of

When we say that this world is not true, it
indicates the negligible power of the world. Suppose a
small ant is on your shirt, will you say that you and
the ant are present in the house? The ant is
negligible and is treated as nothing. Therefore, a
person who knows this concept surrenders to God and
accepts Him as the saviour. In his eyes the entire
world looks like an ant before God. You are a tiny
particle in this ant-world. You can understand your
position by putting a relative scale. Assume that this
ant is Infinite Ocean of energy. You are an iota of
that ocean. This means your power is negligible before
the power of this entire nature.

The world is like the
ocean and you are like a drop in it. God is like the
ocean and the world a drop in God. You must understand
this simile not in terms of volume but in terms of the
intensity of the power. When we utter the word God, we
immediately imagine Him as a very large figure with
unlimited boundaries. The space is largest but as no
power as it is treated has nothing.

The atom bomb is very small but it has enormous power.
Therefore, our idea about God should not be in terms of the
three-dimensional space. When a person imagines a
large city, the city is very huge but the person is
very small. But that small person has created,
maintains and finally dissolves this huge city. He can
do anything in this huge city. In fact He is standing
outside this huge city. When He wants to enter into
this huge imaginary city, He will imagine a small form
and He identifies Himself with that form. That small
form represents the outside person. This imagined
form, which is identified by the outside person is
treated as the outside person directly. This imagined
small form is the human incarnation. The outside
person is God. The imaginary huge city is this world.
Thus God identifies Himself with the human
incarnation. From this angle the human incarnation and
the God or one and the same.

There is another angle in which the human
incarnation is not the original God
but a part and parcel of God. In this angle God and
the human incarnation are treated as father and son.
You can experience the Father only through this Son.
In the third angle the human incarnation is just sent
by God into this world as a messenger with some power.
Jesus talked this truth in all the three angles. Jesus
can save any human being who has any one of these
three angles. Acceptance of Jesus as your saviour is
the essential step in the spiritual effort. Here Jesus
means the human incarnation in general. Only God is the saviour.

But you cannot approach God directly.
Only through the human incarnation you can approach
God. This means you should accept the human
incarnation as that very God. In such case only the
human incarnation becomes your saviour. God is like
free electrons flowing in the atmosphere. These
Electrons are the electricity. Then can you heat water
by keeping the vessel containing water in the
atmosphere? When these Electrons enter a medium like
the metallic wire, you can heat water. If the medium
is human form it is most convenient for you to clear
your doubts, to love and to serve Him.

Therefore,acceptance of Jesus as your Saviour means that you
should accept the human incarnation as your saviour.
It is told that Jesus will come again. This means that
the human incarnation is coming in every human
generation. Otherwise, if one generation was only
blessed by such fortune, the other generations will
charge God as partial and such charge is justified.
Therefore, if you think that Jesus means only that
particular human incarnation, which came about 2000
years back, you have lost the whole concept.

Through a particular example generalization must be made. If you
say that sodium atom is indivisible it means the atom
of any element is indivisible. If you say that Daniel
is born, it means that every human being will be born.
If this basic analysis is lost, the entire spiritual
castle falls down due to the absence of its foundation.

Merely by accepting the human incarnation (Jesus) as
Saviour cannot save you. It is told in the Bible that
He came to save His people. Who are His people? They
are His beloved devotees. They follow His
instructions. Jesus did not give attention even to see
His mother, when He was with His disciples. When a
woman shouted that the Mother of Jesus was blessed,
Jesus did not agree and told that blessed are those
who followed His instructions. He says that one should
leave parents, wife or husband, children and must be
prepared even to carry on his own cross for the sake of Jesus.

This means that one should be prepared to
sacrifice even his life. Therefore, it is a narrow
path with thorns. Even to hear this statement your
mind is turmoiled with chaotic disturbance. That is
the reason why He says that He has come to give peace
to you and that He is holding the sword of knowledge
in His hand. Therefore, you can be saved only when you
reach that state. If you say to the Judge that you
accept him as your saviour, will he save you and
cancel his judgment? If you say to the jailor that you
will accept him as your saviour, will he relieve you from the jail?

Therefore, He saves only His dearest
devotees. He underwent the suffering of His people
only on the Cross. He did not suffer for the sake of
all the people and released all the people from their
sins. If such thing is done the justice is destroyed.
The administration becomes meaningless. When a devotee
leaves everybody and everything for the sake of such
human incarnation and participates in His service,
such people are called as His people. Such devotees
will never agree for the crucification of the Lord for
their sake. Therefore, real saving is only at that stage.

Whether, it is Christianity or Hinduism the beginner
cannot come forward if the final stage is shown. In
Hinduism the saints and in Christianity, the Popes,
fathers, brother and sisters who are dedicated to the
Mission have left everything and everybody for the
sake of God. Actually such Holy saints only can be
saved since they stand according to His standards
prescribed. But if this fact is revealed no common man
will come forward. It is the tradition of the divine
preacher to show the final result even in the first step.

We say to the schoolboy that if he goes to the
school regularly and studies sincerely, he will become
the professor. It is only encouragement. Does that
mean that the boy will be appointed as professor as
soon as he finishes the schooling? He gets encouraged
and studies well in the school. Then he will go to
college and university and study further, and then he
will join as a lecturer, become reader and then
finally become the professor. Therefore, to attract
the beginners such encouraging statements are made,
which need not be condemned as lies.

When a lie doeswell, such a lie cannot be the sin. Even if it is
truth, if it harms it is a sin. We tell so many lies
to our children to encourage them and our aim is only
their welfare and not cheating them. Therefore, such
statements should be accepted with reference to the
level of the devotees.

To recognize God, then to recognize God as the King of
this creation and then recognizing His ultimate
underlying hidden administration in the entire
creation is the essence of spiritual knowledge. We
recognize the Government and its administration in
this world. It is clear because it is visible to the
eyes. But God and His administration are invisible.
Invisible dose not mean non-existent. This world is
filled with cosmic energy, which is invisible. That
does not mean cosmic energy does not exist. You can
experience the administration of God in every corner
of your life. His administration is applied to both
living and non-living beings of the creation.

The non-living Sun, wind etc., move constantly following
the rules of God only. That invisible God comes as
visible human incarnation and proves all this. When
Jesus ordered the storm in the sea subsided. The
plants, birds and animals and all the human beings are
under His control only. When Jesus told a tree to die,
the tree died. Jesus was controlling the sheep and
thus He controls animals and birds. The human beings
are atheists, normal human devotees and real devotees.

He also controls the atheists. The disciple of Jesus
cut the ear of a soldier who came to arrest. But Jesus
attached the ear in the proper place. Thus His enemies
are also under His control. The second type, normal
devotees worship God for solving their worldly
problems. They were also controlled by Him, when He
cured their diseases etc.; He saved the highest real
devotees by suffering on the Cross. Thus, He proved
Himself to be the controller of all the non-living and living beings.

This means that He is controller of the
entire creation. To recognize such controlling
administration in the entire world is recognition of
His kingdom. People thought that His kingdom is
somewhere in the heaven, which is above the sky. Jesus
said that His kingdom is coming to the earth. It means
that the human beings on the earth have started
recognizing His kingdom on the earth, which is already existing.

There is no place, which is not in His
kingdom. There is no king except the human incarnation
like Jesus. He is the king of kings. Even the Satan is
also an employee in His kingdom. This creation is
created by Him for His entertainment. In a cinema, not
only the hero is remunerated but also the Vilan. Satan
is used to test the devotees through his attractions.

Thus Satan is required in the spiritual effort of the
human being. In answering a multiple choice question,
there are three wrong answers along with one correct
answer. The three wrong answers represent Satan, which
appear more correct and attract the mind. The power of
discrimination of the student becomes more significant
in presence of such wrong answers only. What is the
significance of the happiness without misery? Nothing
and none can oppose the Lord. Satan is required for
His divine game.

The rituals are in every religion. Their significance
is the effect of external atmosphere. Baptism is a
ritual .All the rituals are indicating the super
natural power of the unimagined God. Astrologers and
Black magic etc., are not good from the point the
highest real devotees. But from the point of atheists
and scientists, they indicates the super natural
element, which Leeds to the existence of the God.

Therefore, every thing in the tradition is positive
from the point of lowest cadre and simultaneously
negative from the point of highest devotees. Even the
idol worship is good from the point of lowest
devotees. They can not accept the present human
incarnation due to their ego and jealousy. They can
not see the energetic forms of God by long penance.

They can only retain concept of God through idols and
photos. Jesus on the cross of the chain present in the
neck of every Christian is an idol. Of course, the
idol worship is not direct worship of the God, because
God does not exist in idols. It is only model or
representative of the concept. We use models in teaching.

When you teach the generation of the
electricity through a model or flow sheet diagram, a
diagram or the model is not directly the electric
generator. But it represents the concept of production
of electricity. The idol worship should be limited up
to vision only. Therefore, cleaning the idol by bath
and decorating is acceptable. You can offer also the
food to the idol and feel that you are eating the
remains. But you should not say that you have really
scarified to the God. Thus, you can see every thing as
positive from the lower level.

The kingdom of God is compared to a treasure hidden in
the field. This means that God is hidden in the human
body of the human incarnation. In Gita the human body
was compared with the field (Idam areeram….).This
means the identification of human incarnation.

Purchasing the field means serving that human body. If
the treasure is announced, the owner will not sell the
field. Then it is impossible to purchase the treasure.
This means that it is impossible to serve the real
form of the God, which is beyond the imagination. The
human body is a part of the kingdom of the God. Again
the kingdom of the God is compared to a merchant who
is in search of pearls. This means that the Lord in
human body is in search of real devotees. But only one
in millions can be the real devotee as said in Gita (Kaschit maam …).

When a merchant found such a pearl,
he purchases it by selling all his property. This
means that the human incarnation will go to any extent
to save that rarest devotee. Again the kingdom of God
is compared to a dragnet, by which all categories are
captured and from each category good is taken and bad
is thrown. This means that God captures all types of
devotees. Some devotees use God for their selfish
benefits. Even for them, God answers and thus the God
captures them. From these devotees, those, who are
turned in to real devotees are accepted and the others
are thrown out. These other type devotees love God as
an instrument to solve their problems and that is not
a real love.

Matheus 5:3-8 The mercy and purity are praised because
such qualities will develop love on God. Then only God
blesses them. Simple mercy and purity related to
worldly bonds are of no permanent use. Such good
qualities without the element of the God lead to
temporally heaven, which is not a permanent fruit.
Mere love on society leads to temporary heaven only
from which one falls to earth, as said in Gita (Ksheenee Punye…)

Matheus 11:28-30 The yoke of the Lord is light where
as the yoke of human beings is heavy. This means that
the work of the Lord will never give misery as there
is no selfishness. But the worldly work of the human
beings becomes heavy due to selfishness that creates
anxiety and misery since one is attached to the fruit
of the work.

John 18:37-38 God is truth. But every truth is not
God. For example, it is true if you say that wind
moves. This does not mean that this sentence is God.
He said " I am the truth.’’ He did not say “Truth is
my self’’. The people who belong to the truth mean the
devotees who belong to the God. Here the word truth
represents God only and not every truth in the world.
Matheus 6:8 He said that Father knows things before
you ask. This sentence belongs to highest devotees.

They do not expect anything in return, even for their
practical service but the lower devotees aspire fruits
from the God even for their theoratical service like
prayers. For such low cadre He said " Ask, that shall
be given’’. For the high devotees He suffers and
cancels their evil effects. For lower devotees it is
only postponing the punishment to the another place
called hell with increased interest.

Luke 12:51-53 Jesus is evaluating the love towards Him
in terms of decrease in the love of the worldly bonds.
As the love of a boy on his girl friend increases, the
bonds with his parents weaken proportionately. At the
final stage he runs away with girl friend totally
discarding his parents. Thus, the detachment from the
worldly bonds is an indirect measure of the attachment
to the God. Without the later, the former is useless.
This is explained here. Jesus told that who could not
be detached from parents, wife or husband and children
and even with the life can not be his follower.

Luke 9: 60-62 Let the dead bury the dead. You preach
about God. This means that you need not worry about
the dead body or its rituals. The reason is that the
inert dead body will decompose in to inert five
elements. The decomposition reactions are controlled
by inert items like entropy, free energy etc. The
inert means dead. Therefore, the inert five elements
will decompose the dead body and burly it whether you
do the ceremony or not. The Parsy people should be
appreciated in this concept because they leave the
dead bodies on hills and in forests.




Kulapavana - Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:18:42 +0530

"Swamiji or Shri Datta Swami is a Pari Purna Avatara or the ‘complete incarnation’ of the Lord"
anuraag - Fri, 10 Jun 2005 20:51:57 +0530
In Sri Datta's own words:
Acceptance of Jesus as your saviour is
the essential step in the spiritual effort. Here Jesus
means the human incarnation in general. Only God is
the saviour. But you cannot approach God directly.
Only through the human incarnation you can approach
God. This means you should accept the human
incarnation as that very God.

I heard a beautiful discourse by Sri Kripaluji Maharaj on T.V. when I was in India, about 4 or 5 different kinds of speakers of Truth as well as listeners (readers or seekers). I wish I could recall more information given on that lecture.
One kind of the listeners (or readers) is of 'hamsa (Swan)' type.
If milk mixed with water is offered to a Swan, he/she will only enjoy milk separating it from the water mixed in by his/her superior sense of perception.

Jaya Sri Radhey!
Kulapavana - Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:39:47 +0530
why bother with milk/water mixtures when pure milk is easily available? what if there is also poison in such mixtures and concoctions? ohmy.gif

I'm certainly not the Hamsa type, so I'll stick with pure milk from reliable cows... tongue.gif
anuraag - Fri, 10 Jun 2005 23:52:56 +0530
I'm certainly not the Hamsa type, so I'll stick with pure milk

Yes, this type is also included in the five kinds of listeners smile.gif , it could be 'Parama hamsa type' rolleyes.gif
braja - Sat, 11 Jun 2005 00:01:07 +0530
QUOTE(Kulapavana @ Jun 10 2005, 01:09 PM)
why bother with milk/water mixtures when pure milk is easily available?

We're talking about India here! laugh.gif

I once stayed in Puri for a few weeks and used to go and buy milk directly from a goshalla. I thought I was doing pretty well at being on guard for adulteration till I realized that the bucket the milk was going into and the lota he measured it with both already contained water before he used them.

There are other stories about guys with plastic tubes up their sleeves. What is it with these cowherd men--are all of them crooked?
Kulapavana - Sat, 11 Jun 2005 00:49:28 +0530
QUOTE(braja @ Jun 10 2005, 02:31 PM)
What is it with these cowherd men--are all of them crooked?

now, that is both funny and sweet! biggrin.gif

but seriously, adulterations of all kinds seem to be India's biggest problem these days... I've even heard some horror stories of crooks adding all kinds of "stuffing" (like paint dyes) to spices and herbs from India ohmy.gif
anuraag - Sat, 11 Jun 2005 01:13:26 +0530
We're talking about India here!  laugh.gif

This reminds me a story :
An Indian priest wanted to do some kind of 'milk sacrifice' and
asked every person in the group to contribute one glass of milk
to a covered pot.
But the milk-misers thought that -
no one would come to know who contributed what since the pot was covered,
and moreover no one would notice who was pouring what into the pot
since mlk and water were immediately mixed well,
and at least some fellows would be donating real milk for the sacrifice.
So each miser secretly brought a glass of water to the covered pot instead of milk.
Later, when the Indian priest removed the lid of the pot for starting the
'milk sacrifice', all he could see there was a pot full of water! huh.gif

Looks like everybody thought at least one person would be kind enough to contribute milk
so that his or her single glass of water wouldn't make much difference! wink.gif
anuraag - Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:34:59 +0530
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One day as Jesus was standing by the Lake of Gennesaret, with the people crowding around him and listening to the Word of God, He saw at the water's edge two boats, left there by the fishermen, who were washing their nets. He got into one of the boats, the one belonging to Siimon Peter, and asked him to put out a little away from the shore. Then He sat down and taught the people from the boat.

When He had finished speaking, He said to Simon, "Put out into deep water, and let down the nets for a catch."

Simon answered, "Master, we've worked hard all night and haven't caught anything. But because you say so, I will let down the nets."

When they had done so, they caught such a large number of fish that their nets began to break. So they signalled to their partners in the other boat to come and help them, and they came and filled both boats so full that they began to sink.

When Simon Peter saw this, he fell at Jesus' knees and said, "Go away from me, Lord, I am a sinful man!" For he and all his companions were astonished at the catch of fish they had taken, and so were James and John, the sons of Zebedee, Simon's partners.

Then Jesus said to Simon, "Don't be afraid; from now on you will catch men." So they pulled their boats up on shore, left everything and followed him.

- From The Holy Bible, The Gospels, Luke 5:1-11

Happy Guru Purnima to all!