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Root causes of perceiving the prakata-lila - Past impressions and desires
Gaurasundara - Thu, 28 Apr 2005 21:40:23 +0530
QUOTE(dasanudas @ Apr 28 2005, 04:39 PM)
As Mahaprabhu comes every year to listen Vagavatam from Vagavatacharya.
Dasanudasji, you have no idea how happy this line made me!
I always keep thinking of prakata-lIlA but you reminded me that it still goes on of sorts. Thank you!
Madhava - Thu, 28 Apr 2005 22:47:22 +0530
prakaTa-lIlA-samApty-anantaraM tu tatrastha-janena bhajanAdhikyAtyutkaNThAyAM vartamAnAyAm eva dRzyate | tatrApi sva-vAsanA-tad-icchAnusArAbhyAm iti vivekaH |
Some who are eager and accomplished in bhajana can constantly perceive the unfolding of the prakata-lila even after its conclusion. This is understood to happen due to their inner impressions, following their desires.
- Visvanath Chakravarti in Bhagavatamrita-kana (14)
Gaurasundara - Thu, 28 Apr 2005 23:09:53 +0530
Madhavaji, thank you very much for this verse, it makes me more happier!
But what is meant by "inner impressions" following desires?
Hari Saran - Fri, 29 Apr 2005 12:42:53 +0530
QUOTE(Gaurasundara @ Apr 28 2005, 05:39 PM)
Madhavaji, thank you very much for this verse, it makes me more happier!
But what is meant by "inner impressions" following desires?
Good question!
Madhava - Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:05:23 +0530
QUOTE(Gaurasundara @ Apr 28 2005, 06:39 PM)
Madhavaji, thank you very much for this verse, it makes me more happier!
But what is meant by "inner impressions" following desires?
Translation of
sva-vAsana. Are you familiar with the concept
vAsana?
Gaurasundara - Fri, 29 Apr 2005 19:29:57 +0530
I understood vAsana to be impulses, or impressions as you translate it. I don't understand the concept of how they follow desires. Is the verse essentially saying "you can see the prakata-lIlA if you really have an intense desire to do so"?
Madhava - Fri, 29 Apr 2005 19:35:44 +0530
QUOTE(Gaurasundara @ Apr 29 2005, 02:59 PM)
I understood vAsana to be impulses, or impressions as you translate it. I don't understand the concept of how they follow desires. Is the verse essentially saying "you can see the prakata-lIlA if you really have an intense desire to do so"?
No, "impulses" aren't the same as "impressions". Impressions are there before impulses, they give room to the rise of impulses.
vAsana is commonly understood to be latent, or subconscious, impressions from the past. Such
vAsanas are the reason for some activities or concepts feeling more "natural" to some people, and previous
bhakti-vAsanas are also the cause of attraction for a particular mode of devotion.
Gaurasundara - Fri, 29 Apr 2005 19:42:11 +0530
LOL, you split the topic just as I was writing and I couldn't find it!
Thanks for the explanation. So then the verse is essentially saying that "it is possible to see prakata-lIlA even now due to the impressions from previous lives, thanks to your accomplishment in bhajana"?
Madhava - Fri, 29 Apr 2005 19:46:24 +0530
QUOTE(Gaurasundara @ Apr 29 2005, 03:12 PM)
LOL, you split the topic just as I was writing and I couldn't find it!
Thanks for the explanation. So then the verse is essentially saying that "it is possible to see prakata-lIlA even now due to the impressions from previous lives, thanks to your accomplishment in bhajana"?
Yes, that's what the
prose (
) is essentially saying. That, with the desire.