ACBS as Nityasiddha -

Where did Srila A.c. Bhaktivedanta ever declare himself a nitya-siddha? Its amazing how somebody can take the statements of some person like me and then accuse Srila Swami Prabhupada of bragging about being a nitya-siddha.
All I said was that in his books he taught about nitya-siddha devotees sometimes take birth in the families of pure devotees. In another place he explained that both he and his spiritual master were fortunate enough to be born in the familes of pure devotees. I connected the two. He never made any open claim to being a nitya-siddha. People like me have drawn our own conclusions.
All he was saying was that he was born into the family of a pure devotee and was trained in Krishna consciousness from birth. Krishna conciousness was imbibed in him since he was in the womb. It was only natural for him to have Krishna consciousness in the background of his life even as a college student and a family man. He was just stating the facts that he was trained as a devotee from birth and never ever became an atheist or agnostic. He was a devotee his whole life. That is a fact that not even the six Goswamis can all make claim to. To be born in a family of pure devotees is very special. Somewhere in the shastra it probably says something about nitya-siddhas taking birth in the family of pure devotees.

Radhe!



i cannot believe that someone can actually write this?!

putting AC Bhaktivedanta Swami above the 6 Goswamis?
right. sure. yep.

what comes to my mind is the following:

if ACBVS is a nitya-siddha, what may certainly be, then these questions might be solved:

( this is no challenge, just some questions, which are still unanswered. i think these questions relate well to the topic)

questions about the guru and parivar....

as a nitya-siddha and a guru:

1) why did ACBVS preach the fall-theory?
2) why did he choose to exchange the meaning of raganuga with ragatmika?
3) why did he not intervene in the gurukula-trouble ( as a perfected soul, he might have seen through that?)
4) why did he choose such aggressive language ( rascals /fools)?
5) why did he say something like "Hitler was not such a bad man?
6) why did he say the things he said about black people in the USA (see the slavery-issue at raganuga.com)?
7) why did he accept drug and raid-money?
8) why did he say that his books will be the law for the next 10000 years?
9) why did he often make the point of women being less intelligent?
10) why did he say that women should be kept like children with no freedom at all?
11) why did he repeatedly blaspheme his godbrothers ( which he bitterly regretted on his deathbed)?
12) why did he not allow to read books from other devotees (only his books?)?
....

i honestly dont want to throw mud on Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami, but since more than 10 years, these questions have never been answered in a satisfying and objective way. and i guess more linger down in my ISKCON-subconsciousness.
sure, the slogans like "nitya-siddha", "lion-gurus", "incarnation of Lord Nityananda" and all that i heard many times.
since i was a brainwashed ISKCON-fanatic i had to peel many skins off.
and i dealt with this "guru as super-mega-nitya-siddha" many times.
feeling now much more better and SAFE!

i prefer the view of Radhapada das, who makes the point of being humble.
Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami once said, after being questioned about his super-position, that actually he sees himself as a fifth class -person, serving the other four! dasanudas. how humble and genuine.
now, whatever devotees put into the mouth of such a great soul like ACBVS, that is something different.

like Rasaraja das mentioned in another topic, i can live with the point that someone like ACBVS can make mistakes.

Madhavajis point about the role of the inner and outer guru is also important.
so even if the guru is not a nitya-siddha or an uttama-adhikari, then surely the inner guru will provide all that is missing.

so why not just accept that we are (at least me) not on the platform of realizing who is who (regarding realizing nitya-siddhas and uttama-adhikaris)?
but of course, gurus like ACBVS said SO MANY things (at least his disciples say so!) and of course there will always be followers of people like him who will never admit that maybe they are a little bit too narrowminded.

again i want to say that my questions above are NOT being meant as attacks!
i would be MORE than glad if someone could answer some or even all of them.
if it is too much for this forum, maybe in private or in another cyber-spot!

forgive me
your servant
Tarunji

Where do you see this being said? You are putting words into the Rasesh's mouth that he did not say.

he says clearly that ACBVS was a lifelong devotee and some of the 6 Goswamis not.
right?

yeah, me the guilty one. of course.

I think i learned that the 6 Goswamis are eternal associates of Sri Sri Gaur-Nitai and SriSri Radha Govinda. so comparing ACBVS to them is pretty tough, not?

yeah, now comes:

he is also a nitya-siddha.

ok, me defeated. ride on.
made my point. judged guilty.

Tarunji

Obviously, I just do not read it the same way you are. I am noting on this board that this is happening a lot and it appears that everyone is ready to jump onto everything that some people say and only see it in the negative aspect.

I dunno; different perspectives I suppose.

Question - how long ago did you leave ISKCON?

Radhe!

well noted.
did you note also the PURPOSE in the starting post in this thread?

what do you read in here?




what is the purpose in making that comparison? mentioning the famous 6?


i left ISKCON after Harikesa Swami left.
i left the GM this year.

Tarunji

Just curiosity about whether or not you are left ISKCON before or after Prabhupada left His body. That is all.

I did not read that Rasesh was putting Prabhupada above the six Goswamis.

Sorry for any misunderstanding; as I said it is all just different ways of seeing things.

Well, I am in the US and it is very late here so I will sign off for now.

Hare Krsna.

Radhe!

no problem.

good night there!

Radhe!





necessary?

shack?
little , no preaching work?

my head shakes.
my mouth gives a no.

two thumbs down.

Tarunji

Hare Krishna

I wonder how long it will be before this forum is closed down.


The tongue is indeed difficult to control, and also typing before thinking.


Jai sri radhe!

Its a good job i'm not a vaishnava otherwise i would be saying things like, oh i am not offended by what you said, i only like to offend ppls, i am so sarcastic.

jai sri radhe!

Another fiasco thread in making. Please don't provoke each other. Some valuable points, but the thread will be a fiasco with this degree of provocation. This thread is now closed.

Rasesh, if you wish to return to the original questions in this thread, please PM me and have me split the rest elsewhere.

Radhe!

i will ask my questions in saraswata.net and maybe Srila Rasesh may answer.

i am sorry for causing so much disturbances.

Tarunji

Radhe!

i posted, got a reply and instantly banned myself before they kill me.

sorry again.

Tarunji

As you see, nothing conducive comes out of such discussions. Why waste everyone's time.