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Jet stream control - Modern warfare or service for humanity?



jatayu - Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:13:22 +0530
I always felt there is something wrong - now there's scientific proof of modern climate engineering.


...Here's how the weather engineering is usually accomplished:
First, take two scalar potential beam transmitters, separated on the necessary baseline to form a beam interferometer. Let them interfere at a distance....full story

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If you are able to control the jet streams - you are able to control global climate.


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"Of hymns I am the Brhat-sama sung to the Lord Indra, and of poetry I am the Gayatri verse, sung daily by Brahmanas. Of months I am November and December, and of seasons I am flower-bearing spring."

At least they cant change the seasons yet!


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Weather modification technology is in use today by both the United States and the Soviet Union. Both the U.S. and Soviet projects involve the manipulation of the ionosphere and the alteration of the earth’s magnetic fields. This technology seems to have both localized and global capabilities. Evidence indicates that this technology also has the capability of manipulating human behavior and mood patterns.

Soviet Woodpecker System
The Soviet weather modification project is referred to as the Woodpecker system. It involves the transmissions of extreme low frequency (ELF) waves at about 10 hertz using Tesla transmitters in Angarsk and Khabarovsk in Siberia, Gomel, Sakhalin Island, Nikolayev in the Ukraine, Riga in Latvia and also a site 60 miles south of Havana in Cuba. To give you an idea of the magnitude of this system, the facility near Havana, Cuba, is said to be maintained and operated by a staff of 2,500 Soviet personnel.
These transmitters generate electromagnetic transmissions that produce an ELF scalar grid over the United States. This is done by transmitting these low frequency scalar waves in pairs so that they converge at a predetermined point on the earth’s surface and cause a disruption of the atmosphere. This technology can be used to alter the course of the jet stream and set up long- term weather blocks.

Long-term Weather Blocking
The long-lasting California drought in the 80s was caused by a massive ridge of high pressure 800 miles off the California coast which hovered for extended periods of time, blocking the usual flow of moist air coming in from the Pacific and pushing storms around to the north. Meteorologists who have analyzed this phenomena consider it to be one of the most unusual national patterns ever recorded, unique in the annals of weather recording. Such long-lasting centers of high pressure were unheard of until 1977. Evidence suggests that this was possibly caused by Woodpecker generated giant standing ELF waves which are transmitted by the Soviets intentionally to block the flow of normal weather patterns.
This phenomenon of long-lasting centers of high pressure is not limited to producing drought. In 1993 the Midwest region experienced severe flooding which was a result of the wettest period in this particular area since rainfall record keeping began in 1876. This flood was a result again of what meteorologists called a blocking pattern.
The normal weather systems usually move from west to east across the U.S., but during the ’93 flood the weather systems stalled for six weeks over the upper Midwest. A high pressure system over the eastern part of the United States was causing warm, moist air to move up from the Gulf of Mexico and dump moisture in the Midwest, where it met the jet stream. This weather pattern involved an unusual shift in the jet stream, which during the summer is usually weak and typically found much farther north in Canada.
This stationary high pressure front also blocked the path of cold Canadian air, resulting in record low temperatures in the Northwest. According to the September 1993 issue of Storm, The World Weather Magazine:
"It is extremely unusual for weather patterns to persist for so many weeks, bringing heavy rainfall to the same area almost on a daily basis… The reasons for the weather patterns to become fixed, as they did in June and July, 1993, are unclear."

1970 Z. Brzezinski published a book titled Between Two Ages. Brzezinski is one of the founding directors of the Trilateral Commission. In this book he said, "Technology will make available, to the leaders of major nations, techniques for conducting secret warfare, of which only a bare minimum of the security forces need be appraised…Technology of weather modification could be employed to produce prolonged periods of drought or storm."

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jatayu - Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:13:22 +0530
I always felt there is something wrong - now there's scientific proof of modern climate engineering.


...Here's how the weather engineering is usually accomplished:
First, take two scalar potential beam transmitters, separated on the necessary baseline to form a beam interferometer. Let them interfere at a distance....full story

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If you are able to control the jet streams - you are able to control global climate.


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"Of hymns I am the Brhat-sama sung to the Lord Indra, and of poetry I am the Gayatri verse, sung daily by Brahmanas. Of months I am November and December, and of seasons I am flower-bearing spring."

At least they cant change the seasons yet!


QUOTE
Weather modification technology is in use today by both the United States and the Soviet Union. Both the U.S. and Soviet projects involve the manipulation of the ionosphere and the alteration of the earth’s magnetic fields. This technology seems to have both localized and global capabilities. Evidence indicates that this technology also has the capability of manipulating human behavior and mood patterns.

Soviet Woodpecker System
The Soviet weather modification project is referred to as the Woodpecker system. It involves the transmissions of extreme low frequency (ELF) waves at about 10 hertz using Tesla transmitters in Angarsk and Khabarovsk in Siberia, Gomel, Sakhalin Island, Nikolayev in the Ukraine, Riga in Latvia and also a site 60 miles south of Havana in Cuba. To give you an idea of the magnitude of this system, the facility near Havana, Cuba, is said to be maintained and operated by a staff of 2,500 Soviet personnel.
These transmitters generate electromagnetic transmissions that produce an ELF scalar grid over the United States. This is done by transmitting these low frequency scalar waves in pairs so that they converge at a predetermined point on the earth’s surface and cause a disruption of the atmosphere. This technology can be used to alter the course of the jet stream and set up long- term weather blocks.

Long-term Weather Blocking
The long-lasting California drought in the 80s was caused by a massive ridge of high pressure 800 miles off the California coast which hovered for extended periods of time, blocking the usual flow of moist air coming in from the Pacific and pushing storms around to the north. Meteorologists who have analyzed this phenomena consider it to be one of the most unusual national patterns ever recorded, unique in the annals of weather recording. Such long-lasting centers of high pressure were unheard of until 1977. Evidence suggests that this was possibly caused by Woodpecker generated giant standing ELF waves which are transmitted by the Soviets intentionally to block the flow of normal weather patterns.
This phenomenon of long-lasting centers of high pressure is not limited to producing drought. In 1993 the Midwest region experienced severe flooding which was a result of the wettest period in this particular area since rainfall record keeping began in 1876. This flood was a result again of what meteorologists called a blocking pattern.
The normal weather systems usually move from west to east across the U.S., but during the ’93 flood the weather systems stalled for six weeks over the upper Midwest. A high pressure system over the eastern part of the United States was causing warm, moist air to move up from the Gulf of Mexico and dump moisture in the Midwest, where it met the jet stream. This weather pattern involved an unusual shift in the jet stream, which during the summer is usually weak and typically found much farther north in Canada.
This stationary high pressure front also blocked the path of cold Canadian air, resulting in record low temperatures in the Northwest. According to the September 1993 issue of Storm, The World Weather Magazine:
"It is extremely unusual for weather patterns to persist for so many weeks, bringing heavy rainfall to the same area almost on a daily basis… The reasons for the weather patterns to become fixed, as they did in June and July, 1993, are unclear."

1970 Z. Brzezinski published a book titled Between Two Ages. Brzezinski is one of the founding directors of the Trilateral Commission. In this book he said, "Technology will make available, to the leaders of major nations, techniques for conducting secret warfare, of which only a bare minimum of the security forces need be appraised…Technology of weather modification could be employed to produce prolonged periods of drought or storm."

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DharmaChakra - Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:20:30 +0530
QUOTE(jatayu @ Feb 10 2005, 03:43 AM)
I always felt there is something wrong - now there's scientific proof of modern climate engineering.


...Here's how the weather engineering is usually accomplished:
First, take two scalar potential beam transmitters, separated on the necessary baseline to form a beam interferometer. Let them interfere at a distance....full story




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In the early 90's, while working on my physics degree, I worked on magnetic field detectors that were around both poles to detect fluctuations in the Earth's magnetic field, such as those caused by a large bombardment of electric particles on the atmosphere. These detectors were 10s of meters long along their axies, and were capable of detecting the smallest of fluctuations caused by very small solar storms and the like.

I never saw the kinds of fluctuations that would be caused by an Earthly 'energy beam' bombarding the atmosphere, yet I was working with this project during the early 90s.

Reading the entire article you linked to, I found this little gem
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One can also, of course, form various forms of energy at a distance, including particularly hemispheric shells of energy and spherical shells of energy. Hundreds of these have been observed worldwide, from testing by the KGB weapons in Russia.Pure longitudinal EM waves have infinite speed and infinite velocity (see the summary papers by Rodrigues et al. on the Los Alamos National Laboratory website).
One can form energy at a distance? Huh? 'infinite speed'?

Pseudo-science, pure and simple. I'm amazed there is no mention of Tesla...
babu - Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:13:07 +0530
QUOTE(jatayu @ Feb 10 2005, 07:43 AM)
Soviet Woodpecker System
The Soviet weather modification project is referred to as the Woodpecker system. It involves the transmissions of extreme low frequency (ELF) waves at about 10 hertz using Tesla transmittersfull story




Ummm, its not psuedo science. Tesla was mentioned.
DharmaChakra - Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:18:22 +0530
QUOTE(babu @ Feb 10 2005, 09:43 AM)
QUOTE(jatayu @ Feb 10 2005, 07:43 AM)
Soviet Woodpecker System
The Soviet weather modification project is referred to as the Woodpecker system. It involves the transmissions of extreme low frequency (ELF) waves at about 10 hertz using Tesla transmittersfull story




Ummm, its not psuedo science. Tesla was mentioned.


I'm sorry. I should have stated that mention of Telsa is de rigeur for EM pseudo-science. Really, think about it. He states EM waves can travel at infinite speed. However, the speed of light in a vacuum is fixed.

I supposed now is a good time to mention that some things can in fact move faster than the speed of light. When you close a pair of scissors, the point where the two blades meet can in fact move faster than light. However, that point carries no information. It is a meaningless designation by us, yet it does travel very quickly. An information object (something that can be measured) is limited in its physical speed by light in a vacuum.
DharmaChakra - Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:31:35 +0530
I'm going to self moderate myself here, and state that I'm not looking for a fight of any type, despite the confrontational tone of my postings. I will admit that I get a little frustrated when I see this kind of thing thrown out as fact. I see too often critical thinking getting thrown to the wind on these kinds of claims, all the better when they boost up some vauge feeling we have about how the world 'really' works. (Conspiracy theories and the like)

Don't get me wrong, I love a crazy idea as much as the next guy (actually, probably more), I just don't believe them.

A while ago, Dharmapada das at VNN ran a series of articles on the Hollow Earth. Great stuff, but unfortunately, I think he really believes in this stuff! For your enjoyment:

http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET0001/ET15-5274.html
http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET0002/ET16-5483.html
http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET9912/ET29-5171.html
http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET0003/ET19-5709.html
http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET9912/ET19-5104.html

and my favorite (cause he quotes from 'The Smokey God')

http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET9912/ET05-5029.html
Kulapavana - Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:29:58 +0530
the attempts of military science to control the weather are a FACT. the exact mechanisms used now and in the past are mostly third party speculations.

just a few days ago Pentagon officially confirmed allocating millions of dollars to the research of teleportation. chew on this Mr.Sceptic! smile.gif
DharmaChakra - Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:47:59 +0530
QUOTE(Kulapavana @ Feb 10 2005, 11:59 AM)
the attempts of military science to control the weather are a FACT. the exact mechanisms used now and in the past are mostly third party speculations.

just a few days ago Pentagon officially confirmed allocating millions of dollars to the research of teleportation. chew on this Mr.Sceptic! smile.gif


I will of course need a link to the official press statement? Not a 'my uncle works for a contractor, and he said...' statement.
Kulapavana - Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:17:01 +0530
QUOTE(DharmaChakra @ Feb 10 2005, 12:17 PM)
I will of course need a link to the official press statement? Not a 'my uncle works for a contractor, and he said...' statement.



http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2004-11-...portation_x.htm

that information also made most 6 o'clock TV news here in US
jatayu - Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:11:05 +0530
QUOTE(DharmaChakra @ Feb 10 2005, 04:17 PM)
I will of course need a link to the official press statement? Not a 'my uncle works for a contractor, and he said...' statement.


You mean an official press statement similiar like that of the moon landing? Or vegetarian diet leads to severe health problems? Or Iraq is manufacturing biological weapons and has to be attacked? Well, this post doesnt want you to believe in something what is not shown in the Daily News on TV. If you feel it has to be lumped in with all the types of conspiracy stuff, there should be also no problem with it. It should be clear - not everything can be proven so easy, like, there are suras and asuras on planet earth, or - is God fiction or fact? What does CNN or FOX say on that? Rather the links in the post lead to sources who give us a clue of the different fields in modern science. Wait...ohhh, whaaat? Just heard in our daily news: no more oil in 40 years on planet earth! Yes, that's more important than the tornados! The liquid gold: Oil. And when they say it's gone in 40 years it must be true! rolleyes.gif
braja - Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:34:52 +0530
QUOTE(Kulapavana @ Feb 10 2005, 10:59 AM)
just a few days ago Pentagon officially confirmed allocating millions of dollars to the research of teleportation. chew on this Mr.Sceptic! smile.gif



According to NBC they [the Air Force, not the Pentagon] spent $25,000 on the study. The author of the study recommended a further $7 million.
Kulapavana - Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:53:43 +0530
QUOTE(braja @ Feb 10 2005, 02:04 PM)
According to NBC they [the Air Force, not the Pentagon] spent $25,000 on the study. The author of the study recommended a further $7 million.



you are right, these are the facts as reported. like many others, I assumed that the 7 million is a part of the new defense budget, but that may, or may not be the case (after all the publicity and ridicule - probably not).

however, I was merely trying to point out the general scope of actual military research, which clearly borders on "incredible". the really secret stuff becomes official news only after decades of "rumours and speculations", and sometimes - never.
Gaurasundara - Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:59:05 +0530
Kulapavana-ji, have you heard about the 'secret' military research that takes place at Fort Bragg? Some of the things undertaken with an official budget include trying to develop the ability to walk through walls, trying to kill goats just by looking at them, and other crazy stuff. ohmy.gif
Kulapavana - Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:38:26 +0530
QUOTE(Gaurasundara @ Feb 10 2005, 02:29 PM)
Kulapavana-ji, have you heard about the 'secret' military research that takes place at Fort Bragg?


no, I have not, but Fort Bragg houses some of the most secret programs of US military - stuff not even on the classified "books".

I have been doing some research on the recent Naga snake sightings, and there are some connections to US secret military research, including FB facilities. A lot of this type information is quite dubious to say the least, but there is enough credible stuff to keep a very open mind on these subjects.
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DharmaChakra - Fri, 11 Feb 2005 03:48:19 +0530
QUOTE(Gaurasundara @ Feb 10 2005, 02:29 PM)
Kulapavana-ji, have you heard about the 'secret' military research that takes place at Fort Bragg? Some of the things undertaken with an official budget include trying to develop the ability to walk through walls, trying to kill goats just by looking at them, and other crazy stuff.  ohmy.gif


Researched does not equal fact. Its a blunt example, but the SS Ahnenerbe* (the Ancestral Heritage Society) spent a lot of time and money researching their World Ice theory. That didn't make it fact. I've presented at least a personal story that would disprove the stated topic. The research is available, I'm sure. Just get the magnetic flux records for the pole for as long back as you can, and eliminate known events such as solar flares, etc. Then show major weather events coresponding to the flux records. Easy enough, and publically available data! Too much work, I'm guessing...

I also really reject the label of 'Mr Skeptic', and somehow by presenting FACTS I don't have an 'open mind'. ohmy.gif Science, and more specifically, the scientific method is probably the greatest contribution we have gotten from western civilization in the last several hundred years.

I've posted before about what makes something 'scientific' (search for creationism threads), and while you (or the Pentagon) may want to think you can 'kill goats by looking at them whistling.gif the fact is that you must prove this scientifically. There are plenty of people in high positions that believe all kinds of crazy/non-scientific things. Just because they spend money on them does not somehow give them objective reality. In fact, critically examining these ideas and spending is of great importance, lest another SS 'prove' that some race/nation/hair color is superior to another. That didn't get us good places in the 30s and 40s.

*Himmler's Ahnenerbe also spent a lot of time researching the correlation between bodily proportions and race. They also liked to put Jewish prisioners in high-pressure chambers and freezing cold water tanks.
Gaurasundara - Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:55:04 +0530
I think the point rather refers to the way that the US Defence budget is spent on such things. The book was successful and was made into a TV series (which should be available on DVD soon called 'Crazy Rulers of the World'). One of the most disturbing conclusions of the book/series is, as you say, the way that such 'scientific experimentation' is carried out and was employed as torture at Abu Ghraib.
Kulapavana - Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:18:50 +0530
QUOTE(DharmaChakra @ Feb 10 2005, 06:18 PM)
I've presented at least a personal story that would disprove the stated topic. The research is available, I'm sure. Just get the magnetic flux records for the pole for as long back as you can, and eliminate known events such as solar flares, etc. Then show major weather events coresponding to the flux records. Easy enough, and publically available data! Too much work, I'm guessing...





Prabhu, as seen in the above quote, you seem to jump to conclusions based on your belief and limited personal experience, while recommending exhaustive reseach to those who have an opinion different than yours. Is that scientific?

I have worked as a scientist (chemist and engineer) for over 20 years. Currently I manage a good size (30+ scientists) analytical laboratory. I know how easy it is to arrive at a false conclusion when you neglect to account for all factors in your experiment. Your story does not prove or disprove anything, at least to an outside observer.


And as to the work of German scientists you seem to denigrate so much: they were the only western scientific community with enough intelligence and vision to take seriously the Vedic knowledge. Their twisted motivation aside, as scientists they certainly deserve our respect. US scientists were using unsuspecting black citizens in their experiments well into the 1950's - Germans were using Jewish and other prisoners. Who has the higher moral ground in your opinion?
DharmaChakra - Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:09:35 +0530
QUOTE(Kulapavana @ Feb 11 2005, 08:48 AM)
Prabhu
Trust me, I'm no Prabhu.

QUOTE(Kulapavana @ Feb 11 2005, 08:48 AM)
as seen in the above quote, you seem to jump to conclusions based on your belief and limited personal experience, while recommending exhaustive reseach to those who have an opinion different than yours. Is that scientific?
I've simply provided ancedotal evidence that casts some doubt on the claims made. I've also given an excellent avenue of research that would show the truth to the claim. I have no belief in the claim made, so why would I research it? I've also pointed out that some of the basis of the claim is built on highly dubious science (infinite speed EM waves?)
QUOTE(Kulapavana @ Feb 11 2005, 08:48 AM)
Your story does not prove or disprove anything, at least to an outside observer.
Again, my story is ancedotal, and should be taken as such. However, it does alert one to the existence of data that may or may not prove the claim. I have no investment in the claim, so I have no need to research it. It would be a waste of my time.
QUOTE(Kulapavana @ Feb 11 2005, 08:48 AM)
And as to the work of German scientists you seem to denigrate so much: they were the only western scientific community with enough intelligence and vision to take seriously the Vedic knowledge. Their twisted motivation aside, as scientists they certainly deserve our respect. US scientists were using unsuspecting black citizens in their experiments well into the 1950's - Germans were using Jewish and other prisoners. Who has the higher moral ground in your opinion?

Note: I stated it was a blunt example of 'science run amok'. The US has also performed many dubious experiments on unknowing citizens. My point was that the 'science' and 'research' put forth by the SS Ahnenerbe provided scientific and logical justification for the attempt at the mass extinction of an entire race of human beings. We should be very careful and very critical of what is presented to us as 'science' and 'fact'. You said earlier:

the attempts of military science to control the weather are a FACT. the exact mechanisms used now and in the past are mostly third party speculations.
just a few days ago Pentagon officially confirmed allocating millions of dollars to the research of teleportation. chew on this Mr.Sceptic! smile.gif

implying that simply by spending money on something, the Pentagon has somehow proven the existance of teleportation. I'm simply stating that just by researching something, and spending obscene amounts of money on something, does not give that theory an objective reality.

Who has the higher moral ground? Well... let's just say I would be very careful about elevating these 'German Scientists' too high...

Carl Sagan wrote a book once called The Demon Haunted World. I highly recommend it.
Kulapavana - Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:36:28 +0530
QUOTE(DharmaChakra @ Feb 11 2005, 10:39 AM)
QUOTE(Kulapavana @ Feb 11 2005, 08:48 AM)

...just a few days ago Pentagon officially confirmed allocating millions of dollars to the research of teleportation. chew on this Mr.Sceptic!


implying that simply by spending money on something, the Pentagon has somehow proven the existance of teleportation. I'm simply stating that just by researching something, and spending obscene amounts of money on something, does not give that theory an objective reality.



the only thing I was implying in the above referenced quote was that there is enough information available on such seemingly "outlandish" subjects (such as weather control or teleportation) to persuade some very rational people in scientific community to take a closer look.

the obviously humorous "Mr.Sceptic" address referred not to a belief in weather control or teleportation, but to the fact that US military is trying to use these areas in their warfare programs. I apologize for not making it clear. My fault.
DharmaChakra - Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:18:25 +0530
QUOTE(Kulapavana @ Feb 10 2005, 03:08 PM)
QUOTE(Gaurasundara @ Feb 10 2005, 02:29 PM)
Kulapavana-ji, have you heard about the 'secret' military research that takes place at Fort Bragg?


no, I have not, but Fort Bragg houses some of the most secret programs of US military - stuff not even on the classified "books".

I have been doing some research on the recent Naga snake sightings, and there are some connections to US secret military research, including FB facilities. A lot of this type information is quite dubious to say the least, but there is enough credible stuff to keep a very open mind on these subjects.
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And despite all of my above posts, please give some more information on the above. I may not believe it, but that doesn't mean I don't like a good story/idea. Am I to assume you are familiar with Mark Amaru Pinkham's 'The Return of the Serpents of Wisom' and the like? I'll quote an amazon review of that book, which sums up my standpoint just about perfectly
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There are probably some really weird "true" things in here. This book is what happens when your brain chemistry is pure LSD and you don't have a very rational approach or strong grip on "average reality" to begin with. It was a fun book however...and I'm sure the author is a blast to hang out with.
Kulapavana - Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:49:43 +0530
QUOTE(DharmaChakra @ Feb 11 2005, 11:48 AM)
And despite all of my above posts, please give some more information on the above. I may not believe it, but that doesn't mean I don't like a good story/idea. Am I to assume you are familiar with Mark Amaru Pinkham's 'The Return of the Serpents of Wisom' and the like?




The Nagas are probably best discussed on a separate thread. I'm not familiar with the above referenced book but will check it out. I'm very sceptical by nature, but I try to keep an open mind. There is a lot of "inter-dimensional" stuff in the Vedas and other traditions as well.
DharmaChakra - Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:54:52 +0530
QUOTE(Kulapavana @ Feb 11 2005, 12:19 PM)
The Nagas are probably best discussed on a separate thread. I'm not familiar with the above referenced book but will check it out. I'm very sceptical by nature, but I try to keep an open mind. There is a lot of "inter-dimensional" stuff in the Vedas and other traditions as well.


Great! Looking forward to you starting one!