Tired of talking, looking for the kind Krishna - the tortilla of mixed moods

anand:


I am tired of talking. I hope somebody else will say something here.

Poor girl! Will no one join you in defense
of kind-hearted Krishna? The sheer offense
of those who take him for a torturer!

Mendacious masochists! stop your pretense!
In pain you must find pleasure so intense,
that e'en as you cry out "stop!" you beg for more.

Good. Then go make some nice tortillas for Krsna.

You girls are nuts! His is a sweet torture...

But to compare the intimate pains of the heart that the Beloved inflicts on His lovers to mundane abuse of women... come ON. There is something VERY wrong here.

But I don't know if I'm more dismayed by the comparison or by the fact that your hearts seem to see ONLY the bitter and never the sweet...

I see you crying, but you obviously don't want me to help you...

How would you help the crying ones?

By showing you the kind Krishna... but in order to see Him you have to give up your attachment to viraha and mana. The contrast between the bitter and the sweet is good, but to cling to the bitter when it's time to taste the sweet? Well, it's your choice...

Who will take Shyam, Shyam... I have a sweet madhukara Madhusudhana here... any takers?

Anyway, this is off topic.

If mundane abuse is not to be compared with the divine, conversely, mundane sweetness can be just as sickening as any flopped comparison.

How can one help?
Physician, cure thyself.

Anand, I just hope and pray that you are happy, and if you are not, that you become happy very soon.

I am sorry to have disturbed you.

Not to worry, and thank you for your wishes of hapiness.

The point I am trying to make (and I believe this still belong in the other thread) is that we see that some of us are very comfortable in slipping in and out of the I-am-dovetailing-my-emotions- to-Krsna role whenever that seems convenient to us. Then when you have a group of individuals who mislead one another because of assuming that they are in-a-mission-for-Krsna, to the point of causing harm to each other, I think it oportune to point out that there is indeed a need of making a distinct difference between our mundane lives and that life which we aspire to. Sometimes the mix of the two may result in harm to ourselves and to others.

Well your original post is still in the original thread. Maybe you can put that in the other thread.

True. But yours and Jagat's examples are here now and I was trying to use them to try and help illustrate my point.

O well, it is a complicated point to make, I will try one more time and then just leave it at that. The point is that krsna as a male God is given all liberties to do with his females lovers as He wishes. Basically He is not accountable.

When this is reflected here int his world (in a perverted state), males naturally will think that there is less requirement of accountability from them, ESPECIALLY if they are playing the role of representatives of God. And to assume that the sweet side of Krsna is just a favor we will win by patting our eyelids at the right time, I don't know, sounds rather unappealing to me.

What males in this world should understand is that they are not men, but women filling the roles of men. Krishna is the only Man... at any rate, make no mistake. The Bhagavad Gita which is held in such high regard... which is passed out left and right for "donations"... in this Gita it is made perfectly clear. Do your duty. DO your DUTY. In a marriage, it is the parents' duty to take care of the children. If that is not done, then Krishna cannot be blamed.

There is a saying: Do as Rama does and as Krishna says. If you want a God who provides a model for the 'perfect ruler,' turn to Ramacandra (if you would like to discuss a feminist dissection of His rejection of Seeta in some versions, I would not be entirely adverse to pursuing such a discussion!)

However, Krishna IN NO WAY is to be imitated. Just as the excuse "I can have massive orgies because Krishna had illicit sex with many women" is absolutely repulsive, so is the idea "spousal abuse is condoned because Krishna broke a lot of hearts in His time." That is just not a proper understanding of Krishna leela.



Oh no, you will not see that side of Him by batting your eyelashes. Just let Him know you are done playing rough, and take the shelter of the lotus feet of dayaa devi. Pray to Bhudevi just once and She will take you to Her kind Krishna as soon as She possibly can.

Gaudiyas are concerned with Radha-Krishna. And then, with Krsna submitting to the lotus feet of Srimati Radharani.

Yes fine. If that is what you want, you can ask Bhudevi to please take you to whatever place in the universe where Radha and Krishna are acting out their leela in a happy mood, in "svakiya rasa" in Golokam or just in a peaceful setting elsewhere. Bhudevi can take you there if you like... there's nothing at all wrong with being angry with Krishna, but being angry for too long can be painful. So when Radha is loving Krishna and smiling contentedly, then you can take a break from being angry. I hope you get such a vision in your heart very soon.

Thank you. And I hope you get a vision of angry Radha. There is nothing like it, I've heard.

Krsna: O Radha, You now manifest the form of Lord Siva. The crescent moon glistens in Your forehead, and Your youthful bodily luster is covered with ashes. Your eyes are like fire. You are worshipped by Kartikeya. You burn cupid to ashes with the flames from Your third eye. O Radha, please place Me, the king of snakes, on Your chest. (UN)