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During siddha-avesh, is the name chanted? -



Madhava - Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:49:02 +0530
Here is a response I sent to a fellow Vaishnava on his inquiry about whether siddha-mahAtmas still chant the holy names during absorption in service in their siddha-deha, and how this goes together with Sri Rupa's instruction to engage both the tongue and the mind in topics of Krishna and his dear companions.

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In regards to the question on whether the siddha-mahAtmas who are absorbed in manasi-sevA still chant the holy names in their mouths, we should note that there are three kinds of japa mentioned in Hari-bhakti-vilasa:

1. That which is audibly chanted,
2. That in which only the lips slightly move, and
3. That which is performed altogether in the mind.

The third kind of japa is very common among Gaudiya Vaishnavas.

During siddha-aveza, as the mahAtma realizes the nonduality between the names and the named, namely Radha-Krishna, the names assume the forms of the Divine Couple and present him with a wondrous display of pastimes. This is the perfection of nAma-japa, and at that time nAma-japa is certainly performed, though in a rather different manner from the mAnasika-japa of the regular sAdhaka.

Otherwise, at the time of japa when such deep and overwhelming absorption does not take place, the names are commonly remembered at the time of lIlA-smaraNa, and they keep vibrating on the background as the fabric of our remembrance. This holds true for both the sAdhaka and the siddha, but for the siddha, the perception of the depth of the names is very different.
JD33 - Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:29:38 +0530
Madhava - I like what you write -

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This is the perfection of nAma-japa, and at that time nAma-japa is certainly performed, though in a rather different manner from the mAnasika-japa of the regular sAdhaka.


I would love to know this rather different manner of japa - my guru never told me about this, neither have I experienced it before. Will you kindly share that with us.


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This holds true for both the sAdhaka and the siddha, but for the siddha, the perception of the depth of the names is very different.


I would also love to know about the depth of the holy name. Kindly include that as well, thank you.
Madhava - Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:59:58 +0530
QUOTE(JD33 @ Oct 25 2004, 04:59 AM)
I would love to know this rather different manner of japa - my guru never told me about this, neither have I experienced it before. Will you kindly share that with us.

It is not really a different "manner" in the sense of endeavoring to do something differently. I am merely referring to the depth of experience. An illiterate child may look at a book, a beginning student may look at a book, and the professor may look at a book. They are all essentially performing the same activity, but for the child, the activity does not produce much anything comprehensible, for the beginning student the activity will bring about a basic understanding of what is being described in the text, and for the professor, the entire world of the novel unfolds, as he is thoroughly acquainted with varieties of literary intricacies and is familiar with the genre. That is a rough parallel of what I'm talking about when discussing the depth of the name.

In his Bhakti-sandarbha (278), Sri Jiva delineates five stages of smaraNa.

tad idaM smaraNaM paJca-vidham | yat kiJcid anusandhAnaM smaraNam | sarvataz cittam AkRSya sAmAnyAkAreNa mano-dhAraNaM dhAraNA | vizeSato rUpAdi-vicintanaM dhyAnam | amRta-dhArAvad avicchinnaM tad dhruvAnusmRtiH | dhyeya-mAtra-sphuraNaM samAdhir iti |

This smaraNa is of five kinds. SmaraNa (remembering) is the stage where the mind makes its initial investigations. DharaNa (containing) is the stage when all of one's awareness is withdrawn and the object of contemplation is beheld in the mind in a general manner. Dhyana (meditation) is the stage of specific contemplations on the form and so forth of the object of contemplation. When the remembrance becomes akin to a constant stream of nectar, it is called dhruvAnusmRti (constant and wholistic remembrance). At the stage of samAdhi, the object of contemplation is the sole manifest reality.

In the description I wrote, I am primarily referring to the final stage of smaraNa, the equivalent of attaining siddhi. At the end of the anuccheda, Sri Jivapada gives an example of the stage of samAdhi (BhP 12.10.9), quoting the example of Shiva and Devi coming to meet Markandeya Rishi:

tayor AgamanaM sAkSAd Izayor jagad-AtmanoH |
na veda ruddha-dhI-vRttir AtmAnaM vizvam eva ca ||

"He was not aware of the arrival of the lords, souls of the universe themselves, as the functions of his awareness were besieged of both the world and himself."

tatra hetuH ruddha-dhI-vRttir bhagavad-AviSTa-cittaH -- This obstruction of the functions of consciousness was caused by inner absorption in contemplating Bhagavan. Hence, it is rather unlikely a person who is stunned in a state of complete samAdhi would be much aware of anything else anymore but the object of our life-long contemplation, the aSTa-kAliya-lIlA-dhArA of Radha-Syama. Hence, even if at this stage the regular activity of nAma-japa ceases, nAma-japa is certainly being performed, as truly the nAma-yugala are dancing in their blossoming youth in the mind of the siddha-sAdhaka.

And yes, most of us have a long way to go, working our way up to dharaNa, cleaning up the heart to make it fit for proper remembrance. I have a feeling though, once that is properly accomplished, that the going gets smoother. smile.gif


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I would also love to know about the depth of the holy name. Kindly include that as well, thank you.

Aside the above, that primarily just referred to the sequential appearance of nAma-rUpa-guNa-lIlA. abhinnatvAn nAma-nAminoH.
JD33 - Wed, 27 Oct 2004 00:02:08 +0530
Great - thank you Madhava.