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Preventing Malaria - In search of alternative medicine



Madhava - Tue, 31 Aug 2004 03:12:51 +0530
Does anyone have any insights into preventing while in India?

The side-effects of the allopathic medicine we get in the West are in my opinion worse than getting malaria. We've had people have hair falling out their heads due to using it. The list of side-effects is really very long in the package. On top of that, it is only effective on a certain kind of malaria, while blocking the symptoms of the other varieties as well, effectively making it possible for the variant to breed inside you without having you alerted over the fact that something is quite wrong.

I am also not fond of smearing those yucky mosquito repellents they sell in India all over myself. And yes, I know that avoiding mosquito bites is the best way to avoid malaria. smile.gif I am particularly interested in alternative medicines for preventing malaria, more than in practical tips on how to avoid mosquito bites.
Jagat - Tue, 31 Aug 2004 06:30:54 +0530
When I was still in Iskcon and a sannyasi, so I guess it was 1979, I went to Vrindavan and suddenly got a malarial fever attack while paying dandavats in front of Rupa Goswami's samadhi at Radha Damodar. I lay there on the ground shivering and I think I passed out for a half an hour or so. Then some Iskcon devotees I knew from Montreal (!) came by and took me to a clinic for medicine. All in all it was a pretty ecstatic experience and I remember it with great fondness.

Another time I had malaria when I was doing bhajan in Puchari. I had probably the most blissful devotional vision I have ever had. I had been ill for a couple of days and though my godbrother Radhakanta Dasji was coming in to look in on me once in a while and bring water, I was all alone. I thought I was going to die, so melodramatic was I.

One day though, while I was in the intense fever stage, I had a vision of Lalita Prasad Thakur and Bhaktivinoda Thakur. Both my guruvargas gave me encouraging words and told me to pluck up. I realized however that my gurudeva had left his body and found out later that he had indeed departed this world at around this same time.

So, basically, the conclusion is: if you can't do bhajan in Braj, at least get malaria!

A year or two later, in Birnagar (my guru's Sripat), I went to a local doctor and he gave me some medicine, and I never even got recurring fevers after that. I don't even remember what the medicine was...
Keshava - Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:09:19 +0530
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Does anyone have any insights into preventing while in India?


The first time I went to India I took cloroquine daily starting a week before going and ending two weeks after returning. That was the doctors advise. Then I came to know that too much causes blindness and other problems. In fact the real problem with cloroquine is that if you use it to prevent malaria then when you actually get malaria your body has built up some what of a resistence to it. Then when I first lived in India there was another pill called Daraprim that was much smaller and less powerful and you had to take one only once every week. Still at that time if you got malaria you had to take a course of cloroquin (10 tablets if I remember) to get rid of it. The problem was in those days even the cloroquin didn't get it completely out of your body. Then later they came up with Primaquin that was taken afterwards to flush the malaria completely out of your system. I have had malaria at least 5 times that I know of. The first time I had no idea that that is what I had. You had to go to the hospital and have a blood test while in the middle of the fever (tough). If you went outside of the fever time they would not test you or if they did they could not tell you had it. The second time I had it I knew immediately I had it by the symtoms. Acute headache, extreme weakness (to the point of not being able to sit up or lift your limbs.) And sometimes the fever comes on at the same time each day or every other day. Sometimes it comes on an just doesn't quit. I have seen devotees packed in ice, others who could only drink water by sucking on ice (no food nothing, no liquid). Others who got cerebral malaria banging their heads against the walls and screaming and running into columns and walls. And I have seen kids die and have to be put into the Yamuna by their parents. Malaria is the biggest killer the world over.

Also be aware there are strains of quinine resistant malaria mainly in the East (Bengal, etc). The drug to cure this used to be called Fansidar.

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I am also not fond of smearing those yucky mosquito repellents they sell in India all over myself.


Hey, I hear you! But what are you going to do.

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And yes, I know that avoiding mosquito bites is the best way to avoid malaria. smile.gif


Let me make this very, very clear. Avoiding mosquito bites is not just the best way to avoid malaria, IT IS THE ONLY WAY.

So what do you practically do.

1. Limit your outside activities around dawn and dusk the main times when the mosquitoes are out.

2. Cover up when outside at these times. Long sleeves, etc.

3. Wear repellant. The best is to get the stuff from the west that contains the active ingredient DEET.

4. If you like eat bitter stuff like Neem as some people say that this will be exuded from your skin and mosquitoes don't like it. Some people have more luck with this one than others.

5. Use sambarani dhupa or a smoke machine to smoke out under your bed and other place where you suspect mosquitoes are hiding.

6. Buy a few of those electirc mat heating or liquid heating machines that you plug in at disk and leave on all night while you sleep.

7. Always sleep under a mosquito net or do what I did and put mosquito netting on all the windows and doors of your house. And then on the inner ones as well, creating a couple of layers of netting between the outside and your sleeping/living area.

8. Keep incense and/or mosquito coils on hand so that you can light them in case of a power outage.

9. Make sure you are very clean and your surroundings are also. Clean up any dirty things or garbage and especially stagnant water or standing water, like puddles. Especially be carefull of living near filthy drains, etc.

10. If a mosquito does land on you, brush it off or kill it. (Sorry I don't hesitate as they are poison givers.)

11. If you get the symtoms don't hesitate to take the medicine asap.

12. Don't take too much or you may get hepatitus (This happened to me!)

13. Certainly educate yourself on alternative medicine for curing it, but under no circumstances rely soley on that if it is not immediately able to relieve the symtoms. Seriously!

14. Oh, mosquitoes like water, dark places, dark clothing, warm, humid places, etc. Avoid all these things.

15. If you can't do anything else sleep under a fan.

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I am particularly interested in alternative medicines for preventing malaria, more than in practical tips on how to avoid mosquito bites.


I am sure that there are a lot of different medicines and ideas for curing and preventing malaria in India and also other places in the world. Do the research. I am not afraid of malaria any more. I have ahd it too many times. I know exactly what it feels like and I know what to do. However Sri Rangam especially where I live doesn't have it so much and Vrndavan and especially Mayapur.

The very last thing that I want to say on this subject is that mostly you see the weaker people getting sick first in India. Eat well (especially eat dahi and take vitamins especially C), take it easy, don't over do it, especially in the sun, when you get weak, YOU WILL BE MORE SECEPTIBLE. Drink lots of good water and just try to be as healthy as you can.

This helps.

Keshava - Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:42:52 +0530
QUOTE (Jagat @ Aug 30 2004, 03:00 PM)

I thought I was going to die, so melodramatic was I.


Hey, I can totally relate to these expreriences. One time ater I got malaria the first time and I had not gotten it completely out of my body. I went home to the Gosala where I was living in Vrndavan (behind Phogal Asrama) and I was feeling a little bit like a fever was coming on. My wife had gone to Delhi and I think that she was going to stay there overnight. I went into our room and just lay down. It was before dark so I didn't put on the light and the door was a little ajar. Almost immediately I got feverish and could not move or even make a sound. I also thought I was going to die, there alone in the dark. Then a friend of mine Yasodadulala from England came to see me and seeing the door slightly open and no light came in and found me. Well, he immediately got a towel and water and sponged me down to reduce fever. He did this all night for me and probably it saved my life. Anyway I appreciate it very much to this day.

When my wife came back the next day she took over looking after me. But the temple wanted me to go back to doing my service in the samadhi (of ACBVS). I remember that one day I was doing noon arati and I had an attack. I had to sit while doing arati and offer the lamps and other items with two hands becasue I was so weak. Everyone got malaria in those days.

Finally after having it many times I had the primaquin and flushed it out of my body. Since then I have not had it.

Once when I went to the Rama Krishna hospital for a malaria blood test (remember you have got to go in the middle of a fever, so they had to put me on the rickshaw and literally carry me into the hospital) I collapsed after the nurse took the blood sample. All they did was tell me that I could not collapse in that room. They told me I had to collapse outside in the hall. So my wife dragged me across the room and out into the hall (with a lot of difficulty). Once in the hall she just sat there next to me crying over my delerious body.

Hours later they finally told us that the test was positive (like there was even a doubt?). And gave me the primaquin.

But I had seen much worse cases than my own. Vishal's baby daughter dying. We all took turns keeping a finger in her mouth to stop her from choking on her tongue. And giving here little amounts of water and some ice and sponging her down to cool her fever. Finally her parents became to feeaked out and took her to the hospital. But the shots that the doctors gave her probably were too intense for her and she died soon afterward.

My good friend Laksmana (who still lives there) got cerebral malaria one time and he is the one I said was banging his head against the wall. He got so dehydrated that the doctor had to come and give him an IV in his arm. But he used to go wild and rip it out and jump up and run against the wall of the room and nearly knock himself out. Cerebral malaria is the worst.

Sridhara was vice president of KB mandir in those days. He used to have attacks every other afternoon around 2.30 or 3 pm. So he could do service and he knew that he had to go an lie down at a certain time. He had fever so bad one time that he could only suck on small pieces of ice. He got so dehydrated that he not only got cracked lips but also on his tongue.

Gunarnava was President of KB mandir and when he got it really bad they just ordered a load of ice and packed him in it. He was so hot like 104 degrees F, if I remember.

My own son got an attack in Italy (he got it in India but we had gone to Italy in the summer and just after arriving he got it). We had the medicine with us, but it is so bitter no kid will take it willingly. We tried putting it in sweets and whatever but nothing worked he would spit it out or even vomit it. My wife was really afraid that we could not get it down his throat. Finally with a lot of screaming, kicking and crying we got him to swallow it and keep it down. You have to just hold the nose till they need to breathe and then just ram it down thier throats sometimes. We were really sorry to have to treat the kid like that but what else could we do? Anyway it worked.

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So, basically, the conclusion is: if you can't do bhajan in Braj, at least get malaria!


Yes, there is something about this that I agree with, it is really an eyeopener. However if you want my real advise. Avoid it if you possibly can.

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A year or two later, in Birnagar (my guru's Sripat), I went to a local doctor and he gave me some medicine, and I never even got recurring fevers after that. I don't even remember what the medicine was...


Sounds like Primaquin. In those days if you didn't take that then you would have recurring fevers sometimes just when the weather changed.

AH! The good old days!
dirty hari - Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:26:04 +0530
I don't know how many times I've posted this on other forums, Garlic. Garlic kills all viral infections, as well as malaria. Look Here Although the articles are about other uses, it works for malaria in the same exact way. You can google for more info. Only raw unheated fresh garlic works. The compound created when fresh garlic is cut or crushed, by the juices intermingling, oxidizes and loses all potency within 3-4 hours.

I know, there are sastric restrictions against garlic. That is there strictly against use as a food, regularly. Since it causes the body to smell unpleasent, therefore it is restricted. But it is easily the best and strongest anti viral, anti biotic, anti parasite medicine there is. It is fast and deadly to any infectious disease.
Malatilata - Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:06:16 +0530
I also had malaria once. It was four years ago, we were on Vraja mandal parikrama. At that time many devotees in our group got it, so when I had the symptoms we went to the doctor immeadately. The doctor gave me quinine, which made me almost faint. Madhava had to carry me back to our room, I lost my eyesight for a while, I couldn't see anything properly, and for many hours I felt like fainting. Quinine seems to be very strong medicine. If I remember right, the symptoms didn't come back, so I think the medicine worked, but it was very heavy for my liver. For one year I felt my liver wasn't working properly and needed some purification.

Once I met a devotee who knew a lot about homeopathy, and she said there is a homeopathic medicine for preventing malaria. She said one has to take it for half a year and then for the rest of the life one is resistant to malaria. When I asked here from the homeopathic consultants about it, they had never heard about it. Of course I forgot the ask this devotee the name of the medicine.

About the mosquitos, are they around the whole year in Vrindavana? Winter months also?

Madan Gopal - Wed, 01 Sep 2004 05:33:06 +0530
Oh malaria stories! What can I say Jagat, fond memories?! I had malaria in Vraja in '98. I got it the day before my wife and I were to leave. She had to carry all of the load, our luggage, the trunks of shopping for the temple and my deathly ill body. My visions were not of the transcendental variety... the toilet of the MVT apartment, the floor of a cab on the way to the Delhi airport and the toilet on Singapore airlines.

The late Kirtida mataji (a nurse, thank Krsna for her) came to my rescue and took me to a clinic somewhere in Vraja I have no idea where. I took some once a day pills - seemed like something herbal actually. When I got back to the west I had recurring attacks every few months or so for a few years. Hellish hellish attacks.

I agree with Keshava that prevention is the best cure. I am a mosquito magnet, in the west too. They love me. Nothing works for me, but I have discovered something that seems to really help, better than neem leaves. Take a B vitamin supplement everyday. Something in that makes you smell bad, similar to neem. In my opinion this is the best thing for prevention - good vitamins for vegetarians and it stinks to mosquitos. experiment with it while still in the west. It's amazing!
nabadip - Thu, 02 Sep 2004 01:07:41 +0530
A news release not long ago said that the WHO had bought up large supplies of a Chinese medicine that worked as a cure for Malaria. Someone who has time at hand may want to google for that.

I have met a practitioner in Chennai who told me that there is a remedy, prepared by some adivasi tribe, which is taken just once to cure Malaria. I did not have the money to follow up his claims, but they sounded reliable. I intend to look at this some other time.
nabadip - Thu, 02 Sep 2004 01:14:08 +0530
I wish to state for the sake of newcomers who have never been to India: The risk that you do get Malaria is not as high as it might sound after reading these posts here. Do not take the prevention if it is chemical, but take a lot of Vitamin C and B as someone here suggested already. Take lots of C, several grams a day.

Madhava - Thu, 02 Sep 2004 01:45:31 +0530
For example I've had five trips to India, both Bengal and Vraja, roughly a total of ten months there, without having a single case. Malati has had it once.
nabadip - Thu, 02 Sep 2004 21:01:09 +0530
QUOTE (Malatilata @ Aug 31 2004, 12:36 PM)

Once I met a devotee who knew a lot about homeopathy, and she said there is a homeopathic medicine for preventing malaria. She said one has to take it for half a year and then for the rest of the life one is resistant to malaria. When I asked here from the homeopathic consultants about it, they had never heard about it. Of course I forgot the ask this devotee the name of the medicine.


You must have heard about the homeopathic treatment modus in connection with the name Ravi Roy, an Indian homeopath living in Germany. He developed an homeopathic inoculation method. His website has an English version, but does not address malaria here. But he does have a book about tropical travel disease prevention.

Site-description:
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Homoeopathic Guide for Travellers  $ 12.95
In this guide a traveller will find help of a kind and effectiveness otherwise almost unknown to modern medicine. Almost anything which could mar your journey or your vacation has been dealt with in this wonderful book. All who use its invaluable tips and healing possibilities have only good news to report. In German-speaking countries over 50,000 copies sold in twenty years.



http://www.ravi-roy.de/

Here is a discussion in German of the homeopathic treatment procedure for Malaria Prevention by another German homeopath

http://f17.parsimony.net/forum30362/messages/24.htm

A short synopsis in English:
Various malaria-nosodes (nosode:= homeopathic preps of disease causing toxins) have been used in the past, but recently Malaria CO was developed which is made from all the malaria-causing toxins. The author does not have experience with mal.CO yet at the time of writing (year 2000), but worked with Malaria tropicana, and recommends that or the "new" one, available at a German pharmacy: Glückauf-Pharmacy,Telephone 0049- 2433-5566 (pharmacist Mr. Wissing)

The author recommends C 200 as potency. It would give a protection for 6 months, if taken two weeks before starting the journey.

Homeopathic inoculation is taken in the form of 3 globules one early stress-free morning, and five minutes later another 3 globules. No food within an hour, and no coffee that day.
nabadip - Thu, 02 Sep 2004 21:10:57 +0530
There is an interesting observation on the behaviour of Anopheles moscitos which transmit malaria. The females that suck blood are flying only when there is no wind and only in the afternoon. So morning bhajans are less dangerous than evening sittings wink.gif (who knows if they keep schedules so well as some mandirs do)

Staphisagria 3 D, twice a day 1-2 globules, is used as moscito bite prevention, in form of globules or ointment.
nabadip - Thu, 02 Sep 2004 21:15:39 +0530
A good substitute for Odomos is a mix of essential oils of lemon grass, citronella and other strong smelling ingredients. (to be researched) I have used such a mix, don't remember exact composition now.
nabadip - Thu, 02 Sep 2004 21:30:19 +0530
Another folk practice known and used in the Amazonas is to drink daily sugar-cane-juice which after some days makes the blood react in such a way that with the sting of a moskito the malaria-causing toxins are not transmitted. (Watch out for sugar-cane juice sold in India in dirty glasses and mixed with common water). I suppose daily eating of a good clean Jaggery (Gur) is a viable alternative.

I always feel great after eating jaggery, the opposite of when I eat white sugar in India. rolleyes.gif
Malatilata - Thu, 02 Sep 2004 22:50:57 +0530
QUOTE (nabadip @ Sep 2 2004, 04:00 PM)
I suppose daily eating  of a good clean Jaggery (Gur) is a viable alternative.

I have heard that if you avoid eating sweets, the mosquitos won't bite you, they like sweet blood. Any comments on this?

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I always feel great after eating jaggery, the opposite of when I eat white sugar in India. rolleyes.gif

For a while I thought all the sugar they sell in Vrindavan and Radhakund is brown sugar, until my friend told me it is just so dirty that it looks brown... ohmy.gif
braja - Thu, 02 Sep 2004 23:13:31 +0530
QUOTE (nabadip @ Sep 1 2004, 03:44 PM)
I wish to state for the sake of newcomers who have never been to India: The risk that you do get Malaria is not as high as it might sound after reading these posts here.

Aw, come on. Malaria is a buzz! An initiation rite. wink.gif

I took maha sudarsana churna and wiped it out within 24 hours. But then someone coerced into taking quinine and that stuff made me ill. I didn't have any devotional hallucinations but had a great one of a vicious dog running at the me. As he got closer, parts of his body started to fall off, until finally a leg bone was running at me, without any skin.

As for the Ramakrisna Mission hospital: make sure you bring your own needles. When I went for a bloodtest, semi-delirious, the nurse grabbed a used needle and jabbed me with it!

I had to watch a friend there who had cerebral malaria. In his last coherent statement, he asked the nurse his temperature. She replied, "Over 100" but turned to the doctor and said "ek sau sat". I thought I was on a death watch, chanting japa through the night as my friend suffered, calling out in Italian. He survived but I believe the fatality rate is something like 25-50%.

That said, I was in Vrindavan a few weeks back right after the rainy season, which is the worst time of the year. I didn't encounter any mosquitos apart from one little patch of garden at a friend's place. I was so surprised. Maybe the government got hold of some surplus 245T or agent orange?
nabadip - Fri, 03 Sep 2004 23:05:23 +0530
QUOTE (Malatilata @ Sep 2 2004, 07:20 PM)
QUOTE (nabadip @ Sep 2 2004, 04:00 PM)
I always feel great after eating jaggery, the opposite of when I eat white sugar in India. rolleyes.gif

For a while I thought all the sugar they sell in Vrindavan and Radhakund is brown sugar, until my friend told me it is just so dirty that it looks brown... ohmy.gif

Jaggery definitely is what it looks like, the dry stage of raw sugar cane juice. It is brown everywhere in the world. The junk that Indians sell as sweets is made of white sugar, which is a different story there as well as it is here.

I cannot judge on what basis your friend said what she said. I know what I am saying about my reaction to jaggery, because my body reacts to white sugar entirely differently.
nabadip - Fri, 03 Sep 2004 23:11:45 +0530
QUOTE(braja @ Sep 2 2004, 07:43 PM)
QUOTE(nabadip @ Sep 1 2004, 03:44 PM)
I wish to state for the sake of newcomers who have never been to India: The risk that you do get Malaria is not as high as it might sound after reading these posts here.

Aw, come on. Malaria is a buzz! An initiation rite. wink.gif


I wish to repeat for the sake of newcomers who do get a horrific picture of India and the holy dhams: Malaria is not that common for western visitors. I have been in India 15 times in the past 21 years, I never got anything, also not when I drank Ganga water right off the Ganga, after allowing the ingredients to settle in a bottle. I drank a few cups every day for a few months. I do not recommend that now, but I just say this to make you aware, of how someone else's fate does not have to be yours. Most of the stories here date back many years (my Ganga-drink as well). But, please do not be discouraged by all you hear here.
JD33 - Wed, 15 Sep 2004 05:32:25 +0530
In regards to Malaria:

There is a tree that grows (don't know its name) that when the new leaves are eaten in the spring - one will not get malaria.

Malaria will hide in the liver for months and come out again - either when the body is weakened in some way or gets cold - it seems.

One has to take one kind of medicine to get the fever (malaria) out of the blood (asprin will do), another medicine to clear it out of the stomach (a type of -quin or other) and a last medicine (safe only to take after being tested for a certain enzyme in your body - otherwise you cannot take this last medicine) to clear it out of the liver. - This last part can be accomplished by Energy Healing as well though! and then you are free of malaria - until it is introduced into your body again. If it stays in the liver it does cause an unknown amount of harm to it.

Peace.
nabadip - Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:02:56 +0530
QUOTE(JD33 @ Sep 15 2004, 02:02 AM)
In regards to Malaria:

There is a tree that grows (don't know its name) that when the new leaves are eaten in the spring - one will not get malaria.





I guess you mean the Ricinus plant. I know a family in Pune who gives as a single medicine the juice of Ricinus manjaris with a little milk to cure any liver disease. They got this "duty" from a wandering sadhu... How it works for preventing malaria, no idea, since prevention can never be proved tongue.gif
Jagat - Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:32:38 +0530
The following letters on the RISA list were interesting in this regard.


To: RISA Academic Discussion List
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 7:44 AM
Subject: [RISA-L] Anti-Malaria Experiences

Colleagues,

I am seeking brief reports of any recent experience with Malarone (= atovaquore + proguanil), including side-effects of this anti-malarial preparation.

Some time ago there were hair-raising accounts on RISA of experiences with Lariam (= mefloquine), but Malarone is said to be less problematic.

Your experiences and thoughts please?

Gene Thursby
Univ. of Florida.

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On Wed, 5 Jan 2005, jkirk wrote:

I can't speak for Malarone, but whenever the topic of malaria treatment appears I always try also to call attention to the artemisinin preparations, that have no side effects and have been found to be very effective. Web searching on this herbally derived product, originally from China and Chinese medicine, will produce all necessary information.

Joanna Kirkpatrick

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Hi Joanna,

I have taken the artemisinin to cure Malaria but I didn't know it could be taken as a prophylaxis. It works wonders to cure Malaria though.

Linda Iltis

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Subject: Re: [RISA-L] Anti-Malaria Experiences

Yes, sorry, I probably erred in implying it as a preventive--my reading together with your experience has shown it to be curative......i'm happy that you wrote about your experience with it, as I have never met anyone yet who used it! of courseit is not being promoed by the State Dept! or media.....Maybe you could post to the list how you found out about it and if a medical doc supervised your use of it, prescribed a dose, etc ? Best, JK

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I have taken Artemisinin as a Malaria cure (not a prophylaxis) after contracting Malaria several times in West Africa.

My partner and I contracted Malaria 4 times while taking Doxycylcine as a prophylaxis for 6 months while staying in Ghana, West Africa. The Artemisinin is not available in the US as a treatment because it hasn't been approved by the USDA. It is readily available in West Africa at pharmacies without prescription.

The doctor who prescribed the treatment also prescribed a 3 tablet dose of Fansidar to be taken on the first day of the treatment with the Artemisisin. He and other Ghanaian doctors were horrified and amused that Doxycycline was prescribed to me as a Malaria prophylaxis. The Artemisinin which is made from Wormwood extract has no side effects, and made me feel better within 24 hours. It is the drug of choice and consists of varying dosages depending on which brand. I think it is manufactured in PRC and Guyana.

It is usually only one tablet a day for 5 days with a heavier dose the first and or second day at a cost of $3 for a full course. The only problem is that this drug can kill the malaria parasite in the bloodstream, but it is not as effective if the parasite has migrated to your liver. If malaria isn't treated soon enough it can reside there and keep reinfecting you and entering the bloodstream.

After leaving a malaria region it was recommended to me that I take a 21 day prescription of Primaquine 26.3 mg. which will get the parasite out of the liver. The best thing is to avoid getting bit by mosquitos.

I took Malarone before without any side effects and it is reputedly the most effective at preventing malaria (see CDC website). I would have taken it for my 6 month stay if I had a bigger salary to afford it. Malarone is ridiculously expensive if you need to take it for more than a month, and most insurance companies consider it travel medicine and not covered. Lariam is affordable but it has possible psychosis side effects.

South Asia is probably not as risky as West Africa for malaria infection. Many local people have severe problems controlling malaria in West Africa. It is a serious problem and the cerebral variety is very volatile and dangerous.

Finally, this past fall, I saw a dismal report in the US newspapers about a projected global shortage of Artemisinin in the coming year. Just when we have the tsunami disaster, I hope that the artemisinin shortage won't be too bad! And I hope that it will remain an affordable treatment for the people who most need it, whether or not the USDA approves it here in the U.S.

Linda Iltis


Kesar Chandan - Sat, 08 Jan 2005 02:58:48 +0530
please allow me to offer my respects to the attending souls of this forum.

I certainly don't claim have any recipe for malaria cure, but I would like to make a few comments on this topic.

Firstly, I don't believe in the "magic bullet" solution to any disease. I do not believe than any one pill or one medication is the magic solution to any illness or disease. I believe that all illness and disease should be treated from a complete perspective of total health factors. Total health perspective involves nutrition (diet), medications (including herbal and natural medications), exercise, and also mental conditioning. All these factors must be considered in a complete approach to health and treatment of illness and disease.

Viruses most commonly thrive on undigested proteins in the blood stream. This fact is what makes diet and nutrition such a principle consideration in the treatment of virul infections. This fact is also what makes metabolism a principle factor in the approach to treating virus infections. This fact is what makes diet and nutritional factors strategic in the treatment of virus infection. Finding the source and cause of these "protea" or partial proteins (unmetabolized proteins) in the blood stream is also strategic in the treatment of virus infections.

After having taken the nutritional and dietary factors into consideration, the treatment of viruses with medications can be much more effective and useful.
Ignoring the dietary and nutritional factors of good health and treating disease with the "magic bullet" of a pill containing some drug or medication is a very crippled and blunted approach to the cure.

That is why the nutritional factors of good diet and nutrition are so strategic in the treatment of all disease.

Two principle laws of diet and nutrition that must be observed to treat any disease are.

#1. Sugar is poison. Stay away from processed sugar and even natural sugars in excess.

#2. Avoid intake of excess protein which contributes undigested proteins in the blood. This comes mainly in the form of milk and meat, even nuts and beans etc.


With a good healthy diet and nutritional regimen, all these herbal and natural element remedies can have much more effect and result.

There are many powerful herbs and plants in natures.

Pay some attention to the tropical Noni fruit! It contains a rare alkaloid that has been known to remedy even cancers and other terminal diseases. It is commonly availabe in the form of "NONI JUICE".

There are so many powerful and strategic natural foods and herbs that are showing dramatic results in treating and curing disease. There are a lot of really amazing healing discoveries in the "NEW AGE" type healing movement. It combines both scientific as well as practical evidence of many modern healing discoveries.
angrezi - Sat, 08 Jan 2005 21:08:22 +0530
During my second trip to India some time ago, I was told by someone who spent many years in India to take Chloroquinine as a preventative, since I was going for a long stay during the rainy season. In Bombay, I bought the pills, and asked the dukanwalla, "how much do I take for prevention?". "Three pills daily" he said. So I did, until I got insomnia , paranoia, and my hair started to come out. I figured something was wrong then, I figured that was the theraputic dose not the preventative so I quit taking it...

Later I stayed for 6 years and never got Malaria, and would have been loathe to pop one of those radioactive pills again if I did.
I was told by Brajabasis if you eat the new, soft, red neem leaves for the whole month of Magh, and don't eat sweets, the mosquitoes will stay away from you. I did eat alot of neem although I couldn't avoid the sweets rolleyes.gif
Kesar Chandan - Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:07:13 +0530
I know that most devotees will take exception to the assault against milk as a source of disease. As devotees they are very prone to be favorable to milk, as it is a favorite of Lord Govinda. Milk and milk products are very much a part of Vedic culture. However, it is useful to note that in some Ayurvedic literature I have read, there is the recommendation that milk should not be taken in excess. two cups of milk a day are said to be the healthy limit of milk consumption. Ayurvedic literature does warn that excess milk intake can contribute to disease.
In the old days of ISKCON we used to have one cup of hot milk in the evening before taking rest. Other than the occasional curd subji or rasagulla, the one cup of hot milk a day was the prescription of Srila Prabhupada who was fairly well conversant with some basic Ayurvedic principles.
Personally, I have found sugar to be very unhealthy. Maybe I am just more sensitive to it than other people. I very much protest the use of so much processed sugar in the temple foods and offerings. In some ways the standard ISKCON diet was very unhealthy with so much sugar, ghee, butter and salt in the food. Perhaps, this is just one of several problems I have with the ISKCON culture.
dasa - Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:23:50 +0530
QUOTE(Madhava @ Aug 30 2004, 05:42 PM)
Does anyone have any insights into preventing while in India?

The side-effects of the allopathic medicine we get in the West are in my opinion worse than getting malaria. We've had people have hair falling out their heads due to using it. The list of side-effects is really very long in the package. On top of that, it is only effective on a certain kind of malaria, while blocking the symptoms of the other varieties as well, effectively making it possible for the variant to breed inside you without having you alerted over the fact that something is quite wrong.

I am also not fond of smearing those yucky mosquito repellents they sell in India all over myself. And yes, I know that avoiding mosquito bites is the best way to avoid malaria. smile.gif I am particularly interested in alternative medicines for preventing malaria, more than in practical tips on how to avoid mosquito bites.



The infallible Ayurvedic cure for Malaria has always been and always will be NEEM. Neem has been shown in clinical studies conducted in Germany and India to kill all Malarial Parasites whether they are chloriquin resistant or chloriquin sensitive strains. The effects of garlic are negligible since garlic is efective on gram negative and gram positive forms of bacteria but is of little use with parasites, at least not to the extent that Neem is. Neem should be taken regularly while in India early in the morning upon rising and cleansing the mouth. Take five large fresh leaves or take 2 to 3 capsules of dried leaves. Neem oil can be used on the body at night to keep mosquitoes away. By eating the neem daily and staying away from sweets this will keep the blood bitter and make the mosquitoes go to someone else who's blood is sweeter. This experiment was first reported in "Inside Africa" an adventure book by John Gunther. The group of explorers had labratory equipment with them and they tested blood sugar levels in each person sleeping in the tent. The person who had the highest blood sugar levels was the greatest object of affection of the mosquitos that night. Besides this a teaspoonful of Collodial Silver daily is also very effective. However I do both when I am in India as a total precaution. The colloidal Silver is also good against dysentary. My last trip to India was six weeks I spent less than a day with dysentary, the time before that was four months and I spent only 1 day with dysentary. So Neem and Collodial Silver are good for both although Pomegranete juice is really excellent for dysentary. A good source of the products is bytheplanet.com

I remain Your Servant
DASA
lbcVisnudas - Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:08:47 +0530
Jay Radhe!
I used, in addition to colloidal silver, grapefruit seed extract as general anti scary things tonic.
Dasa ji, do you have any insights on that?
dasa - Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:20:42 +0530
QUOTE(lbcVisnudas @ Oct 12 2005, 12:38 AM)
Jay Radhe!
I used, in addition to colloidal silver, grapefruit seed extract as general anti scary things tonic.
Dasa ji, do you have any insights on that?



Grapefruit seed extract is also an excellent product. It is effective against bacteria, viruses, parasites, and fungi, especially fungi, mold, and yeast infections. This is why it is often used in body care products like shampoos, etc as a preservative. I have used it before but I find colloidal silver is enough on its own but India is such a hothouse enviorment for all kinds of pathogens to proliferate that there certainly is no harm in using both grapefruit seed extract and colloidal silver in India. However Neem is still the best remedy against all parasites carried by the mosquito. It was even used once in India to stem an encephalitis out break started by parasites from mosquitos. Something akin to the West Nile virus. The neem stopped it dead in its tracks. Those who took neem survived. So for Malaria Neem is King. Jai Nimai Nitai.

Your Servant
DASA
Kshamabuddhi - Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:58:10 +0530
QUOTE(dasa @ Oct 13 2005, 01:50 AM)
QUOTE(lbcVisnudas @ Oct 12 2005, 12:38 AM)
Jay Radhe!
I used, in addition to colloidal silver, grapefruit seed extract as general anti scary things tonic.
Dasa ji, do you have any insights on that?



Grapefruit seed extract is also an excellent product. It is effective against bacteria, viruses, parasites, and fungi, especially fungi, mold, and yeast infections. This is why it is often used in body care products like shampoos, etc as a preservative. I have used it before but I find colloidal silver is enough on its own but India is such a hothouse enviorment for all kinds of pathogens to proliferate that there certainly is no harm in using both grapefruit seed extract and colloidal silver in India. However Neem is still the best remedy against all parasites carried by the mosquito. It was even used once in India to stem an encephalitis out break started by parasites from mosquitos. Something akin to the West Nile virus. The neem stopped it dead in its tracks. Those who took neem survived. So for Malaria Neem is King. Jai Nimai Nitai.

Your Servant
DASA



My standard immune support regimen is neem, myrrh and black peppercorns.
I always keep a bottle of all three of these in my medicine bag. When I feel something coming on, I take two capsules neem, two capsules myrrh and 7 black peppercorns. It always does the trick and knocks out any cold or flu that is trying to get me. I have never had malaria, but I have heard and read that neem is very effective against malaria. However, it is always more effective when taken with black peppercorns and myrrh.
I learned about black peppercorns in the book by Harish Johari; Dhanvantari. You will also notice that black peppercorns is an important ingrediant in some ayurvedic rasayanas like Chayavanprash.
That book had a lot of good Ayur-vedic information.
I have been using herbs and natural remedies for about 32 years. I have learned a few things in that time.

There are dozens of herbs, roots and spices I take on a daily basis.
Here is a list of some of them:

Korean Red Panax Ginseng
Yerba Mate
Siberian Eleutherococcus Senticosus Root
Chinese Red Panax Ginseng
Gaurana extract
Brazilian Ginseng Root
Wild Indian Ginseng Root
Ginko Biloba
FoTi Root
Goldenseal Root
Gotu Kola Leaf
Echinacea
Green Tea

as well as:
Ascorbic Acid, Spirulina, Calcium Carbonate, Silica, Cellulose (Plant Origin), d-Alpha Tocopheryl Acid Succinate and Mixed
Tocopherols, Magnesium Oxide, Potassium Citrate, Acacia Gum, Croscarmellose, Barley Juice Concentrate, Gelatin, Bee Pollen, Citrus
Bioflavonoids, Chinese Chlorella, Wheat Grass Juice, Vegetable Stearic Acid, Natural Vegetable Oil (Borage and Sunflower), Natural Food Base
(Cayenne Pepper, Echinacea, Ginger, Ginkgo Biloba, Golden Seal, Milk Thistle), Beta Carotene, Choline Bitartrate, Korean Ginseng (Panax ginseng),
Vegetable Magnesium Stearate, Calcium Ascorbate, Manganese Gluconate, Ribonucleic Acid, Kelp, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Pyridoxine
Hydrochloride, Cellulose Coating, Flax Oil, Thiamin Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Apple Pectin, Inositol, Lactobacillus Blend (L.acidophilus, L.
bifidus, L.bulgaricus), Para-Aminobenzoic Acid, Quercetin, Rutin, Niacinamide, Betaine Hydrochloride, Bromelain, Papain, Zinc Oxide, Sodium
Borate, Deoxyribonucleic Acid, Garlic, Hesperidin, Oat Bran, L-Glycine, Sodium Copper Chlorophyllin, Selenomethionine, Folic Acid, Niacin, d-
Biotin, Amylase, Lipase, L-Glutathione, Ergocalciferol, Ester C®, Cupric Gluconate, Mannitol, Ketoglutaric Acid, Citrus Acid, L-Aspartic Acid,
L-Histidine, Malic Acid, Succinic Acid, Cellulase, Riboflavin 5’ Phosphate, Pantathine, Protease, Chromium Picolinate, Pyridoxyl 5’ Phosphate,
Molybdenum Chelate, Sodium Molybdate, Coenzyme B-12, Cyanocobalamin, Calcium Amino Acid Chelates, Calcium Ascorbate, Calcium
Aspartate, Calcium Bisglycinate, Calcium Citrate, Calcium Gluconate, Calcium Histidinate, Calcium Ketoglutarate, Calcium Malate, Calcium
Spirulina Chelates, Calcium Succinate, Cupric Amino Acid Chelates, Cupric Ascorbate, Cupric Aspartate, Cupric Bisglycinate, Cupric Citrate,
Cupric Histidinate, Cupric Ketoglutarate, Cupric Malate, Cupric Spirulina Chelates, Cupric Succinate, Magnesium Spirulina Chelates,
Magnesium Amino Acid Chelates, Magnesium Ascorbate, Magnesium Aspartate, Magnesium Bisglycinate, Magnesium Citrate, Magnesium
Gluconate, Magnesium Histidinate, Magnesium Ketoglutarate, Magnesium Malate, Magnesium Succinate, Manganese Amino Acid Chelates,
Manganese Ascorbate, Manganese Aspartate, Manganese Bisglycinate, Manganese Histidinate, Manganese Ketoglutarate, Manganese Malate,
Manganese Spirulina Chelates, Manganese Succinate, Potassium Amino Acid Chelates, Potassium Ascorbate, Potassium Aspartate, Potassium
Bisglycinate, Potassium Gluconate, Potassium Histidinate, Potassium Ketoglutarate, Potassium Malate, Potassium Spirulina Chelates,
Potassium Succinate, Zinc Aspartate, Zinc Ketoglutarate, Zinc Spirulina Chelates, Zinc Amino Acid Chelates, Zinc Ascorbate, Zinc Bisglycinate,
Zinc Citrate, Zinc Gluconate, Zinc Histidinate, Zinc Malate, Zinc Succinate.


Needless to say, my energy level is very good.






Babhru - Fri, 14 Oct 2005 03:20:17 +0530
Was this a put-on? Gelatin? Looks like a list pasted from some nonvegetarian multivitamin.
Kshamabuddhi - Fri, 14 Oct 2005 04:58:48 +0530
QUOTE(Babhru @ Oct 13 2005, 09:50 PM)
Was this a put-on? Gelatin? Looks like a list pasted from some nonvegetarian multivitamin.



When you no longer participate in exploitation of Mother Earth and destroying the ozone, through using and consuming petroleum fuels, no longer participate in consuming electricity produced in nuclear power plants, no longer drink milk with fish oil in it, no longer consume white sugar produced using cow bones, no longer buy anything made of plastic, no longer drive a car, no longer eat food grains and vegetables produced using machines and petroleum fuels, no longer mow your grass and kill bugs and insects, no longer take garbage to the dump or have the waste company haul it off, no longer jet-set around the world on jet aircraft, no longer cook with electricity or natural gas.......................... then you can made a big deal out of a few micrograms of gelatin in my vitamins, which might even be vegetable gelatin as far as I know.

I gave up this fake Hare Krishna standard a long time ago.
I don't believe in all these superstitions and false standards that have been popularized by Hare Krishna people in the name of "spirituality" as they continue to participate in exploitation of the environment and destruction of the Earth.
Eating a little gelatin from a Horse hoof is not as bad as filling up your gas tank at the convenience store. I don't buy into all this false ahimsa that is saturated with bigotry.