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Hearing Guru ninda - Sri Sukadev Goswami



Madanmohan das - Sun, 08 Aug 2004 04:52:49 +0530
This may not appeal to all and I don't know, being quite new here, if there is a special thread or if it is taboo. Anyway I found this passage from the discourses of Sri Nityananda vamsodbhav Sri Sukadev Goswami, kindly given in English by Advaitadasji.

Question: "It is written in the scriptures that the disciple commits an offence if he hears his guru being blasphemed. But if some person unknowingly uses words that slight or criticize someones guru, what should the disciple do then? Should the disciple hate that critical person and besome his enemy?"

Answer: "Look, the disciple who has given his whole heart to his guru has a very high esteem for his beloved deity Sri Gurudeva and worships him, placing on a very high level of ideal. If someone unknowingly uses words that criticize or slight his guru, the disciple should not get agitated or angry at all. First of all he should remind the critic with sweet words that he considers the person critcized to be his guru. If the critic does not stop despite this reminder, then the disciple must be very tolerant and stay calm even if the criticism is repeated once, twice or thrice. After that he should politely say with sweet words: "Dear sir, you are speaking all these unjustly critical words about my Sri Gurudeva; would you like it if I spoke such words about your Sri Gurudeva? If not, then please refrain from any more criticisms of my guru in my presence." Then if he still will not stop, the disciple will say: "Look, people in this world should help each other. If, by speaking such negative words, you destroy this faculty of support that there is between us, then will we not both lose? It is to be hoped that the critic will definitely stop after hearing these words. If even this does not work and the critic continues his slanderous and blasphamous campaign, then the final solution is - depending on the etiquette - to leave the place where the critic resides and go elsewhere, where this blasphemy of the guru does not have to be heard. But beware! You should not bear even the slightest malice toward the blasphemer or use any abusive words against him. If you do so you cannot understand the principle of universal love. The disciple must be very careful with this, that is why I am telling you this. Take care that you attitude of "more humble than a blade of grass" and "tolerant as a tree" does not deminish."

Wow! I thought this was right on. At first I thought he was going to say; If he still continues after that, off with his head. The whole book is a real gem.
Lalitadas - Fri, 19 Nov 2004 00:59:21 +0530
That is so very beautiful. Avoid the blasphemer, but also avoid blaspheming the blasphemer. How else can we teach, if not by our own example?
Lancer - Sat, 20 Nov 2004 20:42:53 +0530
QUOTE(Madanmohan das @ Aug 7 2004, 05:22 PM)
I found this passage from the discourses of Sri Nityananda vamsodbhav Sri Sukadev Goswami, kindly given in English by Advaitadasji.

The whole book is a real gem.



From this excerpt, I would be inclined to agree, but I'm a little unclear as to which book this is. Is it available at Loi Bazaar, or perhaps online?

--Lancer
Madhava - Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:14:47 +0530
No, I don't think it has ever been officially published in English. I suggest you contact Advaitadas if you want to secure a copy (or rather, a photocopy).
Mina - Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:14:46 +0530
Yet we have seen those who deride persons who defend their gurus. Those that engage in that derision want to overlook the calumny engaged in by their own gurus and at the same time condemn the mere act of pointing out that it is malicious slander. I think most people here know who I am referring to.

The principle of abandoning one's guru for engaging in calumny of Vaishnavas has been given to us by our acharyas, so there is no fault in taking such a path. In fact it is prescribed.
JD33 - Tue, 14 Dec 2004 03:16:05 +0530
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Lalitadas: That is so very beautiful. Avoid the blasphemer, but also avoid blaspheming the blasphemer. How else can we teach, if not by our own example?

Great Lalita das - The very act of blaspheming is to be eradicated from our conciousness altogether!
Madanmohan das - Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:38:51 +0530
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