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Radhakund Diary - by Karunamayidas

Raga - Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:08:31 +0530
The following is a diary written by Karunamayidas, a disciple of late Sri Krishnadasa Madrasi Baba (, about his stay at Radhakund this year.

Though this is not a translation of any Gaudiya Grantha, I feel it has a place here. In the future, if anyone has similar contributions, feel free to post them here (opening a new topic, of course).

You can also download a pdf-version of the same here.

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(February-March 2002)

17 February : Today is Sunday and it is Vashanta-Panchami (Beginning day of Spring in India). Govindadas and Vasu together with 2 Vrajavasis came to pick us up at the Airport. It’s around 5 A.M and after a pleasant car drive we arrived at Radhakund. After taking some rest and later doing our Puja we went to meet the Radhakund Mahanta, Pandit Shri Anantadas Babaji who warmly received us.

19 February : Today is Tuesday and it is Saptami, the avirbhava (anniversary apprearance day) of Shri Advaita Prabhu. After doing abhisheka to our Thakurjis we took some prasad without grains and pulses. Shivadas came in the afternoon to our place. He related to us how his mother passed away at Radhakunda last month during Karttika. Last year we were gladly surprised to find out from her that she was initiated by a Guru-brother of our Shri Gurudev. Although she had a malignant tumour of the pancreas she didn’t suffer a lot and passed away in a nice way during the congregational chanting of Shri Shri Radha Krishna’s holy names. As she did not want to leave her body without paying back her debts, fearing to take birth again to do so, she entrusted this task to Shivadas. In the evening, on our way back from Radhakund parikrama with Vasu we dropped by at a Vrajavasi’s place asking him if he could take us to Mathura the next day. Lars, one German boy was sitting at that Vrajvasi’s house and told us that Dinosharandas from Slovenia who is a disciple of one Babaji, knows us very well and is now at Radhakund. Karunamayidasi thought that he is our Guru-brother as we have one who has the same name and is from the same country. Finally we found out that he is another boy who surprisingly is a disciple of Shri MadanMohandas Babaji, a Guru-brother of our own Shri Gurudev. He knows about us very well as he has heard about us from our Gurubrother, the other Dinosharandas.

20 February : We left in the morning by car for Mathura. Krishnadas, who is also going there to purchase some books for his bookshop accompanied us. We arrived back in the evening and reached Uddhava-kund road where we stopped to greet Pandit Shri Anantadas Babaji who was on his quotidian walk. Suddenly a lunatic arrived and started to harass Babaji. Babaji had to run off with us by car in order to avoid the lunatic. In the evening we met with Lars and DinoSharandas and noted with great pleasure that DinoSharandas is learning how to practice Shri Shri Gaur-Govinda – lila-smaranam with all seriousness.

22 February : After so many years we finally got the opportunity to do Govardhana Parikrama. We started at around 10 A.M, first doing Parikrama of Shri Shri Radhakunda and Shyamakunda. While passing by the Jagannatha temple I picked up a map of the Govardhana-parikrama from Svarupadas Babaji. At Govardhana town we stopped to have some refreshments. Just before arriving at Govindakund I consulted the Govardhana-Parikrama map and put it back in my shoulder bag’s front pocket. A little further we came across a bunch of monkeys. One of them quickly approached me and after slipping off the map from the pocket, ran away with it. Later Govindadas strangely found on the ground the

30 roopies of donation given to Svarupadas Babaji upon receiving the map from him. Somehow we managed to finish the parikrama, and were feeling very glad about it.

24 February : Today is Sunday and it is Sri Nityananda Trayodashi, Sri Nityananda’s avirbhava. Lars received Harinam from Sri Anantadas Bababji. When he came back to visit us in the afternoon he happily told us to our great satisfaction that he received the spiritual name Lokanathadas. Today is the opening of the new temple of Shri Shri RadhaVinod and Pandit Shri Anantadas Babaji will lecture on this occasion.

25 February : In the morning I biked up to Radhakund to meet Mathura Brahmin, our Panda. On my way back I dropped by at the place of Shri Krishnadas Babaji (a disciple of Tinkadi Goswami Shri Kishori-Kishoranandadasa)). A Bhagavat-saptaha (7 days reading of Shrimad Bhagavatam) was taking place on behalf of the defunct husband of Shashimukhidasi , one of Shri Krishnadasa Babaji’s French disciples. From 5 to 6 P.M I assisted on the last lecture of Pandit Shri Anantadas Babaji. All the 3 lectures were focused on Lord Shri Nityananda Prabhu. In the afternoon Lokanathadas came to visit us together with Ekanti Krishnadas, an Italian disciple of Pandit Shri Anantadas Babaji, who arrived just recently from Shri Gaura Mandala Bhumi. We heard previously about him from Jahnavidasi but never met him. It was a pleasure to talk with him and we also found out that he does not live far away from Turin. This gives us a future opportunity to also have some sat-sanga when we are in Italy. Today we also got some documentation about urinotherapy, namely the ‘Shivambu Kalpa Vidhi’ (the method of drinking urine to rejuvenate) which is the 7th chapter of the Damar Tantra, a 5000 year old Vedic text.

27 February : Govindadasa came back from the Gauradham hospital were he does service, and related how one Vrajavasi after completing his Govardhan-parikrama today, entered in his house and lay down on his bed. Sometime later his relatives called for him, but after repeated attempts he did not wake up and so they brought him to the hospital. At first sight and without even touching him, Govindadas immediately realised that the man had passed away. He was surprised that his relatives couldn’t figure it out at all.

1st March : Today is a national mourning day. Yesterday 50 Hindus were killed by Mohammedans. All shops including those at Radhakund were closed. In the morning we went to have darshan of Pandit Shri Anantadasa Babaji. Today we plan to travel to Vrindavana but he recommends us to do it tomorrow. I asked him about the nature of the line of Gurus called the Brahma-Madhva-Sampradaya to which Shriman Mahaprabhu, Shri Nityananda Prabhu and Shri Advaita Prabhu connected Themselves through Ishvara Puri and Madhavendra Puri. He answers that it’s an authentic lineage of initiating Gurus, but Shriman Mahaprabhu is Krishna the original supreme personality of godhead, and Shri Nityananda Prabhu and Shri Advaita Prabhu are also supreme personalities of godhead. They actually didn’t need to affiliate themselves with such a lineage starting from Krishna Himself in order to receive the charisma of bhakti (pure devotion to God) channelled through such a Guru-disciple uninterrupted transmission of the Krishna diksha-mantra. Belonging to an absolute status and in this way repositories of absolute bhakti They could have Themselves started new diksha-mantra paramparas, but they didn’t do it, preferring to relish and exemplify to the aspirant bhakti-yogis, the way of receiving bhakti through such a process. Shri Shri Radha-Krishna’s upasana (mode of worship) which was brought and also followed by Shriman Mahaprabhu is unique as it was not at all pursued by anyone before Him. We can see that there is no continuity of shiksha (instruction in a particular mode of worshipping God) from Brahma to Madhavendra Puri (passing through Madhvacharya), as none of these Gurus worshiped Shri Shri Radha-Krishna in the position of a manjar

i (maidservant) of Shrimati Radharani (for exemple Madhvacharya’s upasana of Krishna was conducted through the process of vaidhi-bhakti and Madhavendra Puri was worshipping Shri Shri Radha-Krishna by the way of raganuga-bhakti as a sakhi (girlfriend) of Shrimati Radharani). The meaningful, tangible, spiritually significant thing in the genuine Gaudiya Vaishnava line of Gurus is the uninterrupted mouth to ear transmission of the Krishna-diksha-mantra from Lord Brahma onwards, and the additional siddha pranali together with this new mode of worshipping Shri Shri Radha-Krishna as a manjari from the time of Shriman Mahaprabhu onwards. To tell you frankly, as we can talk of parampara (continuity of transmission of a same thing) in the Brahma-Madhva-Gaudiya-sampradaya only in terms of diksha-mantra, and not of siksha,it is in a strict sense a diksha-mantra-parampara sampradaya (spiritual tradition having an uninterrupted transmission of a specific diksha-mantra) and not a shiksha-parampara sampradaya (spiritual tradition having an uninterrupted transmission of a definite mode of worshipping God).

2nd March : We leave in the morning for Vrindavana. Shashimukhidasi told us that Phalahari Baba knows Krishna Gopal Devacharya, a good Ayur Vedic physician, and so he also comes to take us to him. After having established a proper cure for Karunamayidasi he tells us to pick up the medicines after one week. Unfortunately it is now too late to visit Shri Shri Radharaman and Pishima’s Gaur-Nitai at Vrindavana as we planned, and so we left for Mathura where we purchased some window glasses.

4 March : It’s very late in the evening when Lokanathadas leaves after taking prashad. He came back half an hour later terribly shook up. He said that the doors of the Manipuri temple where he is staying were closed and as no one responded to him, he tried to pass over the front gate. Not seeing the wires due to darkness he touched it with his neck and got such an electric discharge that he lost consciousness falling backwards flat on the ground. We examined him from head to toe. Apart from having stiffness in the neck and feeling strange sensations in his head, he seemed alright. After massaging his neck with a relaxing oil we systematized the necessary so he may take good rest in the kitchen.

8 March : In the morning I approached Pandit Shri Anantadas Babaji to discuss about Ananga Manjari dasi to whom our Shri diksha-Gurudeva gave some specific details of her siddha-deha in Shri Shri Radha-Krishna lilas, but not the Krishna diksha-mantra. When at that time Nila Kamalinidasi repeatedly requested Baba to also give the Krishna diksha-mantra, he refused saying that (now) it is not needed and that for her everything, including the Krishna diksha-mantra, is in the Hare Krishna maha-mantra. Pandit Shri Anantadas Babaji says that our Gaudiya Vaishnava scriptures uncompromisingly instructs that initiation into the worship of Shri Shri Radha-Krishna is accomplished by receiving from mouth to ear the Krishna diksha-mantra from a bonafide sampradayika-guru. When I asked him what will be the position of our diksha-Guru after she takes the Krishna-diksha-mantra from another Sampradayika-Guru, he replied that because our Gurudeva gave some characteristics of her siddha-deha with some instructions of how to do bhajan, he will be her shiksha-Guru. Although the Guru who will give her the Krishna diksha-mantra will be her diksha-guru, she will still keep the information of her siddha-deha given by our Gurudeva to be used in her bhajan.

9th of March : Early in the morning we left for Vrindavana where we picked up Karunamayidasi’s medicines from Krishna Gopal Devacharya. We then went on and had darshan of Pishima’s Gaur-Nitai. After having parked near the temple, unexpectedly a monkey rushed into the van, jumped on Lokanathadas’s shoulders, then on the floor and ran away with the bag full of bananas. All this happened so quickly that we are unable to understand what was going on. Everything became

clearer to us when we saw the monkey sitting on a shop’s roof, partaking of the bananas with his fellow creatures. At the scene everyone laughed to their brim. Then we continued to the Shri RadhaRaman temple where we are lucky enough to have darshan of Shri RadhaRaman. In celebration of Spring, the inside walls of the temple and its roof were wonderfully hanged with yellow drapes and a yellow canopy respectively. A band of musicians were playing harmonium, tablas and karatalas and singing ecstatically the transcendental Spring-pastimes of sumptuously dressed and ornamented Shri RadhaRaman. Lokanathadasa, who had not even seen a picture of Shri RadhaRaman, enjoyed the darshan. I told him a few days ago the story of Shri RadhaRaman,of the fondness that my Shri Gurudeva expressed for having His darshan, and that night he dreamed of Shri RadhaRaman. He said that although I didn’t specify that the complexion of Shri RadhaRaman is blackish still he saw Him in his dream exactly as He is. Coming out of the temple he stopped at the photo-shop to eagerly purchase a collection of pictures of Shri RadhaRaman. As it was early in the afternoon that we arrived back at Radhakund, we had time to attend from 5 to 6 the last of a series of seven lectures given by Pandit Shri Anantadasa Babaji on behalf of a defunct disciple. As with the previous pathas this one was also preceded from 4 to 5 by a patha by his disciple Vaishnava Pada dasa Babaji.

11 March : On the occasion of our Shri Gurudeva’ Tirobhava (disappearance day anniversary) patha (lecture) will start today at our place. As we couldn’t make it on the 23rd of January for the Tirobhava, this delayed celebration was arranged. Govindadasa and Vasu purchased flowers at Govardhana town from which flower garlands were made. After preparing a very long garland I climb on the samadhi-mandir to have its top decorated with it. Shushil also put on it some kind of Christmas tree garlands of small winking lamps of different colours. As it was just freshly polished, it looked now resplendently white and magic. Many vaishnavas gathered at 5 P.M on the roof terrace of the house, in front of our Shri Gurudeva’s memorial room. As there was no more vacant place, others sat on the stairs, on the different balconies and on the ground floor’s courtyard around the house. A new sound system had been arranged so that even people in the distant could hear the patha. Pandit Shri Anantadas Babaji sat on a chair as the pain in his knee does not permit him to sit on the traditional asana in the usual lotus position. After the mangalacharana (reciting of prayers to bring auspiciousness) and doing different rituals he unwrapped the book, Shri Vilapa Kusumanjali from its cloth, opened it at verse 16 and started reading. When I was previously asked by Him on which shlokas I wanted him to lecture on I chose this one and he said that it was a very good one, and that he will also lecture on the two following ones. After the lecture, balya-bhoga was distributed to everyone.

12 March : Today is Tuesday and it is Chaturdashi and Shiva-Ratri. In the morning I went to have Pandit Shri Anantadasa Babaji’s darshan and to check if the arrangements made yesterday for his patha were satisfactory. As he said that there was too much echo in the sound system , I promised him that it would be properly adjusted today. There are some polemics going on, about if Lord Shiva should be worshipped separately, or with Lord Krishna’s prashadi items. When I asked Pandit Shri Anantadas Babaji he told me that He should be worshipped with Krishna’s prashadi items. I remembered that my Guru, Shri Krishnadasa Madrasi Baba, was saying that Lord Shiva is much more pleased to receive Lord Krishna’s prashadi items than by being worshipped with ordinary items. At 11 A.M I went to Advaitadasa’s place where he was giving a spoken English translation of one of Pandit Shri Anantadas Babaji’s lectures. In the afternoon we took a walk with Vasu to the nearest Shiva temple to do our Shiva puja. Today the patha started

at 4h 30 P.M, as it was thought more convenient for the vaishnavas living at Radhakunda to not be back too late at their residences. Due to the importance he attached to verse 16, on which he lectured yesterday, Pandit Shri Anantadasa Babaji lectured again on it today. This time the sound system was adjusted properly. After the patha, fruits-balya-bhoga was distributed and then kirtaniyas (singers) assembled in front of the samadhi to perform ‘adhivas-kirtan’. Shivadasa came in the evening to visit us on his way back from Vrindavana, where he is teaching Hindi and English. He is following nirjala vrata (complete fasting including from water). It’s difficult for him to fast in such a way but as his name is Shivadasa and today is a special day for celebrating Shivaratri, he is observing it for Lord Shiva’s pleasure.

13th March : The kirtaniyas came at 6 A.M and started the 24 hour Harinama kirtan session. After a few hours they were replaced by an other group and thus it continued. Around 11 A.M we went to hear Advaita Dasa’s English translation of yesterday’s lecture by Pandit Shri Ananta Dasa Babaji. Today the patha was on verse 17 . Afterwards the cooking preparations for tomorrow’s banquet began. Ladies gathered on the terrace and began cutting vegetables till late into the night.

14th March : The 24-hour Harinam kirtan finished at 6 A.M and a small group, led by someone who held our Shri Gurudeva’s picture, started a Radhakund sankirtana parikrama, which finished with a parikrama of his samadhi. Meanwhile on the terrace of the house cooking was going on. The offering of the bhoga was finished at 11.30 A.M, and then Pandit Shri Anantadasa Babaji, as well as many Babajis, Vrajavasis and others,totalling up to nearly a thousand, took prashad. At 5 P.M, the cleaning of the terrace, the ground floor’s courtyard and all the rooms of the house where prashad had been served, was completed. The place that is now vacant and resounding with peace, seems to be echoing the previous joyful tumult of the Vaishnavas.

15th March : Unfortunately today we had to leave for Italy In the morning. We went to take leave from Pandit Shri Anantadasa Babaji and then proceeded to Advaitadas to hear him translating the lecture of two days ago. At night we found ourselves at the Delhi Airport,our painful hearts yearning for our home, Radhakunda. Our sojourn there seemed to us like an enchanting dream of a transcendental paradise that we had, and it bedazzled us in such a way that we were now sweetly heartbroken. The only thing left is hope that in a very near future we may fall asleep once more and by Shrimati Radharani’s kindness reach Her divine pond in Her dream-like transcendental abode of Vraja-bhumi.

Written by Zakrent Christian (Karunamayidas)
(proofreadings : Ilesh Giridharlal, Advaitadas)
premananda - Sun, 05 May 2002 15:24:35 +0530
Very nice! I particularly liked Sri Ananta das Babaji´s explanation of the Brahma-Madhva-Gaudiya sampradaya as a diksa parampara sampradaya, not siksa parampara.

Do the Madhvas receive the astadasaksara Gopala mantra at the time of diksa though?
I heard that the mantra is mostly used in arcana in that line.

P d
karunamayidas - Mon, 06 May 2002 14:58:37 +0530
QUOTE(premananda @ May 05 2002,02:54)
Very nice! I particularly liked Sri Ananta das Babaji´s explanation of the Brahma-Madhva-Gaudiya sampradaya as a diksa parampara sampradaya, not siksa parampara.

Do the Madhvas receive the astadasaksara Gopala mantra at the time of diksa though?
I heard that the mantra is mostly used in arcana in that line.

P d

Dear Premanandadas.
Thanks! To know if the Madhvas receive the Gopalmantra  and if they use it mostly in archana please ask them directly, here is their link:
Jagat - Mon, 06 May 2002 16:29:27 +0530
The answer will be no. I don't know where the Gopal mantra came from, sampradaya-wise, but unlikely that it is the Madhva line.
Raga - Mon, 06 May 2002 18:58:57 +0530
At least we know that Mahaprabhu got it from Ishvara Puri. Any earlier accounts?

From this sannyasi guru, Somagiri, Bilvamangala learnt practices for self-control and concentration of the mind and also got Gopal-mantra.


In Vishnu Yana, the spiritual lineage of Sri Nimbarkacharya is given as follows: "The sacred Gopala Mantra of eighteen letters sprang from the lotus mouth of Sri Narayana. It was given to Hamsa Bhagavan. Hamsa Bhagavan in turn initiated the Kumaras who revealed this Mantra to Rishi Narada. Narada taught this to his disciple Sri Nimbarka. Nimbarka gave this Mantra to his disciple Srinivasacharya".

Yagnanarayana prayed to him to show him the way  by which he would  have in his heart devotion to god. That teacher  blessed him with the Gopal Mantra. And also commanded him to perform the Soma Yagna. Hence Yagnanarayan commenced the Yagna.>
I was under the impression that Gopal Mantra was in more or less all the lineages. Here we have examples of Bilvamangala, Nimbarkis and Pushti-margis, for whatever validity the accounts above carry. Just a quick search.
karunamayidas - Thu, 09 May 2002 14:42:01 +0530
Jay Shri Radhe! From Brahma-Samhita, text 24, it seems that Goddess Sarasvati gave the Gopal mantra to Lord Brahma. Would someone be so kind to give a translation of it: uvaacha puratas tasmai, tasya divyaa sarasvatii, kama-krishnaaya govinda, he gopii-jana ity api, vallabhaaya priyaa vahner, mantram te daasyati priyam, + if possible also Jiva Goswami's comments (if any) on it? About text 27: atha venu-ninaadasya, trayii-muurti-mayii gatih, sphurantii praviveshashu, mukhaabjaani svayambhuvah, gaayatriim gaayatas tasmaad, adhigatya sarojajah, samskritash chaadi-gurunaa, dvijataam agamat tatah, does Jiva Goswami specify that it is the same kama-gayatri mentioned in C.c madhya-liilaa, 21-125 ?  
Raga - Sat, 11 May 2002 13:23:29 +0530
QUOTE(karunamayidas @ May 09 2002,14:12)
From Brahma-Samhita, text 24, it seems that Goddess Sarasvati gave the Gopal mantra to Lord Brahma. Would someone be so kind to give a translation of it: uvaacha puratas tasmai, tasya divyaa sarasvatii, kama-krishnaaya govinda, he gopii-jana ity api, vallabhaaya priyaa vahner, mantram te daasyati priyam, + if possible also Jiva Goswami's comments (if any) on it?

Brahma SaMhitA, Text 24:

uvAca puratas tasmai
tasya divya sarasvatI
kAma-kRSNAya govinda
he gopI-jana ity api
vallabhAya priyA vahner
mantram te dAsyati priyam

"In front of him [Brahmaji], His [Vishnu's] divine Sarasvati said:
kAma-kRSNAya govinda, he gopI-jana, like this,
vallabhAya, and dear of Agni (svAha),
This mantra will fulfill your desire."

Jiva Gosvami comments:

atha tasmin pUrvopAsanA-bhAgya-labdhAM bhagavat-kRpAm AhovAceti sArdhena | spaSTam ||

"On the merit of his previous worship, he had the fortune of receiving the mercy of Bhagavan. Thus is said in this one and a half verse. This is clear."
karunamayidas - Sat, 11 May 2002 13:59:54 +0530
Dear Karunamayi ji,  I saw your post on Here is the text and
the tika:
24 Then the goddess of learning Sarasvati, the divine consort of the Supreme
Lord's aid thus to Brahma who saw nothing but gloom in all directions, "O
Brahma, this mantra, viz, klim krsnaya govindaya gopijanavallabhaya svaha,
will assuredly fulfil your heart's desire.**
Commentary by Srila Jiva Gosvami
Because of his previous worship of the Lord, Brahma attained the Lord's
mercy.  that is explained in this verse.  The meaning of the one-and-a-half
verses here is clear.
25 "O Brahma, do thou practice spiritual association by means of this
mantra.  then all your desires will be fulfilled.**"
Commentary by Srila Jiva Gosvami
The Lord's order that Brahma perform austerities is also described in these
words of Srimad-Bhagavatam (2.9.6):
"Brahmaji heard twice from nearby two syllables joined together.  One of
the syllables was taken from he sixteenth and the other from the
twenty-first of the sparsa alphabets, and both joined to become the wealth
of the renounced order of life."*
26 Brahma, being desirous of satisfying Govinda, practised the cultural acts
for Krsna in Goloka, Lord Svetadvipa, for a long time.  His meditation ran
thus, "There exists a divine lotus of a thousand petals, augmented by
millions of filaments, in the transcendental land of Goloka.  On its whorl,
there exists a great divine throne on which is seated Sri Krsna, the form of
eternal effulgence of transcendental bliss, playing on His divine flute
resonant with the divine sound, with His lotus mouth.  He is worshipped by
His amorous milkmaids with their respective subjective portions and
extensions and also by His external energy (who stays outside) embodying all
mundane qualities.**
Commentary by Srila Jiva Gosvami
Desiring to obtain the power to create the material universe, Brahma
chanted this mantra, offered prayers, and worshipped Lord Govinda, who stays
in the transcendental abode of Gokula.  That is explained in these four
verses.  Here the word "guna-rupinya" means "consisting of the modes of
goodness, passion and ignorance" and "rupinya" means "having a form".  That
the external energy also worships Lord Krsna is described in these words of
"Goddess Maya is embarrassed, and worships the Supreme Lord from afar."
In Srimad-Bhagavatam it is also said:
"Goddess Maya always presents offerings to the Lord."
The word "amsah" here means "by their associates. who surround them".
27 Then Gayatri, mother of the Vedas, being made manifest, i.e. imparted, by
the divine sound of the flute of Sri Krsna, entered into the lotus mouth of
Brahma, born from himself, through his eight-earholes.  The lotus-born
Brahma having received the Gayatri, sprung from the flute-song of Sri Krsna,
attained the status of the twice-born, having been initiated by the supreme
primal preceptor, Godhead Himself.**
Commentary by Srila Jiva Gosvami
In these two verses is described the second birth of Brahma.  He was
second-born by spiritual initiation, by hearing the king of mantras.  The
word "trayi-murtih" is used here because Gayatri is the mother of the Vedas.
 This is confirmed by the description in the second verse.  Here the word
"gatih" means "method", "mukhabjani pravivesa" means "entered the four lotus
mouths from the eight ears".  In this way Brahma was initiated by the
original spiritual master (adi-guruna), who is Lord Krsna Himself.  In this
sentence Brahma is in the nominative.  He is the subject of the sentence.
28 Enlightened by the recollection of that Gayatri, embodying the three
Vedas, Brahma became acquainted with the expanse of the ocean of tr

Then he worshipped Sri Krsna, the essence of all Vedas, with this hymn.**
Commentary by Srila Jiva Gosvami
This verse means "Enlightened by the Gayatri, which embodies the three
Vedas, Brahma offered prayers."  The rest of the verse is clear.

>Dear Advaitadas, I guess that although Jiva Goswami didn't precisely
>the type of
>Gayatri, it must be the kama, as it emanates from Krishna's flute. It is
>interesting to note that he explained that Brahma was only spiritually
>initiated when the original guru Krishna diffused by dint of His flute
>the gayatri mantra in his ears. Instead he didn't mention so for when
>received the Gopal-Mantra from Sarasvati, but said that Brahma used it to
>satisfy his desire for creation of the material world. I just found
>In the Krama-diipikaa different meditations on Krishna related to the
>of the Gopal-mantra are prescribed for the following mundane purposes: to
>get food, to avoid disease misfortune troubles, to get a long life and a
>good health,
>against poisoning, against children's fever, against pain inflicted by
>calamities, to get rainfall during drought and stop fever, to conquer
>adversaries, to become wealthy, to become prime minister, to get children,
>to become perfect in eloquence, to control people, to become free from
>lamentations and sufferings. I guess that the recollection of the kama
>gayatri to satisfy material puposes are not prescribed anywhere (at least
>till now in the course of my poor readings I didn't come on anything like
>And even if it would be so, wouldn't it be in contradiction with the very
>of the word gayatri as in VishvanathaChakravarti's Mantraartha-Diipikaa :
>gaayantam traayate tasmaat gaayatriitvam tatah smritam?
>It would be without sense to practise a mantra to satisfy RadhaKrishna
>is meant
>to liberate me from my material attachements, and ask Them material
>things instead of asking Them Prema-bhakti-seva.

Dear Karunamayi,
Regarding the mantras, all mantras can be used to fulfill material desires,
I am quite sure the kama gayatri was originally used for couples to get
children or for lovers to lure the beloved etc. I suppose it is the attitude
with which you practise a mantra that matters.
Raga - Sat, 11 May 2002 14:10:57 +0530
The translation of Kusakratha (from which the above is quoted) is not very exact on the 27th verse. I was just going through the text. The original sanskrit is as follows (with the best I could translate out of it for now):

tad evaM dIkSAtaH parastAd eva tasya dhruvasyeva dvijatva-saMskAras tad-ArAdhitAt tan-mantrAdhidevAj jAtaH ity Aha atha veNv iti dvayena | trayI-mUrtir gAyatrI veda-mAtRtvAt | dvitIya padye tasya eva vyaktibhAvitvAc ca | tan-mayI gatiH paripATI | mukhAbjAni pravivezety aSTa-karNaiH pravivezety arthaH | Adi-guruNA zrI-kRSNena ||

"In this way, receiving diksa from the flute, he underwent the samskara of becoming twice-born and became firm in worshiping the Deity of this mantra, these two. The three-formed gayatri is the mother of the Vedas. In the second stanza his specific characteristics also appear. Word 'gatiH' is the same as 'method'. 'Entered the lotus faces' means 'entered through his eight ears'. Adi-guru is Sri Krishna."
Raga - Sat, 11 May 2002 14:15:49 +0530
I find it interesting that the word "dvijatva-saMskAra" is used in the commentary of Jiva. Generally "dvijatva-samskara" is associated with the giving of Brahma Gayatri, which is the mother of the Vedas.

Of course on the other hand we also have the "dvijatvaM jAyate" verse of Hari Bhakti Vilasa, which does not refer to the giving of Brahma Gayatri to the best of my understanding.

What kind of "dvijatva" is being spoken of here?
Raga - Sat, 11 May 2002 14:24:09 +0530
The commentary of Bhaktivinoda -- often wrongly attributed to Bhaktisiddhanta -- says it is the Kama Gayatri which is being spoken of. Bhaktivinoda says Brahmaji attains "aprakata-janma" at the time of this diksa, something far beyond the dvijatva of this world.
karunamayidas - Mon, 13 May 2002 13:37:36 +0530
Can someone give a translation of Vishvanath's Mantraartha-Diipikaa? Thanks!
Raga - Tue, 14 May 2002 22:00:20 +0530
QUOTE(karunamayidas @ May 13 2002,13:07)
Can someone give a translation of Vishvanath's Mantraartha-Diipikaa? Thanks!

I have a hard copy here, I could type it in. Anyone has a file of the same?