Curious verse -

In CC Madhya 1.128 , we find the following ( enigmatic ? ) remark :


'' At Sarvabhauma's house ,while preparing Prabhu's ( i.e. Caitanya's ) meal ,the mother of Sathi said to Him: Let Sathi be a widow .''


The verse is curios ; the more so , because there seems to be no other mention of Sathi in the whole CC .

Some taughts,please?

with respect,

Sathi was the daughter of Sarvabhauma. His wife is frequently referred to as "Sathir mata". Sathi was the wife of Amogha, as mentioned in Madhya 15.245. You'll find her mentioned several times in that chapter.

Yes , it's O.K. But , what this puzzling verse means ?

with respect,

It means: "Let Amogha drop dead for the offence he committed to Mahaprabhu". In oriental societies it is the worst possible curse for a young woman to become a widow, since she loses her lover and financial supporter, becomes a burden to her family and an outcaste to society. Sarvabhauma was so fond of Mahaprabhu, however, that he nonetheless wished his son-in-law to drop dead for the offence he committed to Him.

I suggest you read the story from the 15th chapter.

According to '' Vivarta-vilasa'',this verse means that her mother is cursing Sathi for participating in the Sahajiya-vaisnava worship . Maybe some of you know something about that ?

with respect,

That's just plain absurd! Context, anyone?

I heard that sahajiya-books ascribe a sexual partner to every parshad of Mahaprabhu, including even the 6 goswamis....

Seems that jiva-ji is quoting from Dimock's Place of the Hidden Moon. Using Vivarta-vilasa, Dimock introduces Sathi as a woman "with whom Mahaprabhu performed his secret sadhana." He then goes on to say:



He says that the word "widow," as in "Let Sathi be a widow," also means "whore."

I suppose they also have a theory on how the mainstream tradition became corrupted and covered up the evidence of it's prior and foundational sahajiya-involvement?

Into the complex texture of Gaudiya Vaisnavism were also woven ideas from various other non-(Gaudiya)Vaisnava sources .Tenets and practices , left behind by decadent Buddhism and already deep-set in current Hinduism , must have gone for into the religious taughts and practices of the time .This obscure subject still awaits detailed critical study .

Maybe we can continue our disscussion in this direction , if interested ?

with respect,

I am interested. Please, can you continue?
Where did you found Vivarta-vilasa? Where this version came from?

I believe the text is referred to in Ed Dimock's book. Nitai should be able to arrange a copy for you if you are interested.

A traditional word in India for widow is "rundi". Nowdays it has become a sort of slang word that is used to call women "loose". That is based on the knowledge that many poor widows in India had to turn to either prostitution or having "lovers" in order to maintain themselves.
Hence Dimock would have said in his book that "widow" means "whore".
However I don't think the word was used in that context back in the olden days of Mahaprabhu.

Vivarta'vilasa of Akincana dasa,Calcutta:Taracand dasa ,1948.

The teachings of the left-handed Tantric schools,with their mystic exaltation of the female principle in thr universe,and their emphasis upon the religios value of sexual passion and sexual use of women , formed an undesirable legacy of a great system , and exposed Vaisnavism to considerable temptation . Although Caitanya ,himself an ascetic and a man of great personal purity , does not appear to have lent countenance to these strange ideas and practices , they yet created the enviroment into which the Vaisnava tradition entered ,and possibly had some general influence on its erotic dogmas.

with respect,

Do you have a copy of the whole title?

No.