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Points 5-6 / 9-10 - Preaching Bhava-bhakti -



Madhava - Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:25:42 +0530
Here are points 5-6 and 9-10. They are very similar, centering around misconceptions related to bhava-bhakti, and therefore fit in a single thread.
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5. Sravana and kirtana are something distinct from both vaidhi- and raganuga-sadhana, they are included in bhava-bhakti.

6. One can preach bhava-bhakti without bothering with the lower stage of sadhana.

9. According to the acaryas, bhava-bhakti is not attained by any form of sadhana.

10. According to the acaryas, bhava-bhakti is only attained through sravana and kirtana.


These points are mainly derived from the following post:
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(Rasesh @ Nov 10 2003, 09:06 PM)

First of all, we will all have to admit that raganuga-bhakti is a form of sadhana? We will also have to admit that bhava-bhakti is not attained by any method of sadhana? We will also have to admit that bhava-bhakti is beyond the level of raganuga sadhana? We will also have to admit that bhava-bhakti is only attained through continuous sravana and kirtana?

We will also have to admit that ISKCON and the Gaudiya Math were formatted on the principles of 24 hour sravanam-kirtanam? We must therefore conclude that ISKCON and the Gaudiya Math did not put the most emphasis on either vaidhi-sadhana or raganuga sadhana, rather on sravanam and kirtanam and the subsequent result of bhava-bhakti.

Therefore, the perception that ISKCON and the Gaudiya Math advocated any kind of sadhana above bhava-bhakti is a misperception. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur advocated the process of bhava-bhakti above and beyond all forms of sadhana, both vaidhi and raganuga, through his movement based upon the preimminence of sravanam/kirtanam.

The conclusion is that ISKCON and the Gaudiya Math are not inferior to the raganuga sadhana camps which promote sadhana above sravanam/kirtanam. In fact, ISKCON and the Gaudiya Math promote the most efficient and effective form of bhakti (bhava-bhakti), through the primary emphasis on sravanam/kirtanam which has been explained by Srila Rupa Goswami as superior to the principles of vaidhi and raganuga sadhana.