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BRS by David Haberman - very nice!



TarunGovindadas - Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:27:51 +0530
Radhe!

I just got the BRS edition (Bhaktirasamritasindhu) of D. Haberman.

Very encouraging!

Nice translation. Interesting notes.

Yeah, very expensive, but anyway...

Im glad that i ordered it.

Tarunji
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Madhava - Sun, 16 Nov 2003 03:28:14 +0530
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According to him scientists and scholars are mostly "fools and rascals".

But i guess Swamiji would have liked the very humble approach and attitude of Prof. Haberman.

Haberman spent most of the time during his translation work in Vraja at Radha Raman Mandir, in the company of Srivatsa Gosvami. Extensive periods of vraja-vasa and sadhu-sanga don't exactly disqualify the man from doing the work.
TarunGovindadas - Sun, 16 Nov 2003 03:49:30 +0530
Radhe!

i read that information in his introduction smilingly with great appreciation.
where he wishes that his inner feelings at that time may blend in his work...

great.

Tarunji
morris - Thu, 27 Nov 2003 02:21:04 +0530
Is the BRS you mentioned available, and if so do you have details from where it may be procured?
Mina - Thu, 27 Nov 2003 02:25:33 +0530
QUOTE(TarunKishordas @ Nov 15 2003, 03:43 PM)
according to him scientists and scholars are mostly "fools and rascals".

That is not a very Vaishnava attitude. Yes, we get the point he was making. Still, there are plenty of honorable men and women working in the fields of science and academia, and many of them are pious as well. In fact, it would be safe to say that is true for most of them. They are only human, with faults like everyone else. On the other hand, they are among the most intelligent section of the population. Without them, where would society be?
braja - Thu, 27 Nov 2003 03:02:46 +0530
QUOTE(morris @ Nov 26 2003, 03:51 PM)
Is the BRS you mentioned available, and if so do you have details from where it may be procured?

Abe Books lists a few sellers, all of the cheaper options shipping from India.
braja - Thu, 27 Nov 2003 03:11:11 +0530
QUOTE(Ananga @ Nov 26 2003, 03:55 PM)
QUOTE(TarunKishordas @ Nov 15 2003, 03:43 PM)
according to him scientists and scholars are mostly "fools and rascals".

That is not a very Vaishnava attitude. Yes, we get the point he was making. Still, there are plenty of honorable men and women working in the fields of science and academia, and many of them are pious as well. In fact, it would be safe to say that is true for most of them. They are only human, with faults like everyone else. On the other hand, they are among the most intelligent section of the population. Without them, where would society be?

FWIW, he does include scientists, poets, philosophers and priests as "brahmanas" in the Bhagavatam; "a literary man, a scientist or a theologian" as a member of "the highest class" in the Gita.
Babhru - Thu, 27 Nov 2003 03:33:13 +0530
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Ramdas: QUOTE (TarunKishordas @ Nov 15 2003, 03:43 PM)
according to him scientists and scholars are mostly "fools and rascals".


That is not a very Vaishnava attitude. Yes, we get the point he was making. Still, there are plenty of honorable men and women working in the fields of science and academia, and many of them are pious as well. In fact, it would be safe to say that is true for most of them. They are only human, with faults like everyone else. On the other hand, they are among the most intelligent section of the population. Without them, where would society be?


It's important to put his attitude in the proper context. His strongest criticism was aimed at those who use their intelligence and position to advance atheistic world views. He was always eager for favorable reviews of his books from scholars, and he always made time to meet with academics.

I think his disciples are more responsible than he for the anti-intellectual attitudes in and around ISKCON. We probably were too eager to seize on any opportunity to make ourselves feel better about not having finished our education, and this attitude we cultivated perhaps made us feel as if we were better than Dimock & company.

I hope the University of Hawaii gets Haberman's BRS soon because I get to check things out for six months at a time. It's not likely my wife would be happy about my parting with that much money for a book, when we can't figure out what to do with all the books we already have. (Our house is rather small.)
Rasesh - Thu, 27 Nov 2003 05:34:26 +0530
I think that there will eventually be some expert translation of BRS by a practicing devotee who represents a rupanuga parivar. I think I will hold out on getting any translation by a Sanskrit scholar who is not a dedicated and committed disciple in the parampara.
Gaurasundara - Thu, 27 Nov 2003 08:15:23 +0530
QUOTE(braja @ Nov 26 2003, 09:32 PM)
QUOTE(morris @ Nov 26 2003, 03:51 PM)
Is the BRS you mentioned available, and if so do you have details from where it may be procured?

Abe Books lists a few sellers, all of the cheaper options shipping from India.

Cripes! Abe Books is still cheaper than Amazon! Do you know if they are reliable regarding secure online transactions and delivery issues?
Perumal - Thu, 27 Nov 2003 08:44:43 +0530
QUOTE(Rasesh @ Nov 27 2003, 12:04 AM)
I think that there will eventually be some expert translation of BRS by a practicing devotee who represents a rupanuga parivar. I think I will hold out on getting any translation by a Sanskrit scholar who is not a dedicated and committed disciple in the parampara.

I have Bon Maharaja's translation into English. If you post your email address here I will send it to you

Visvatma
Rasaraja dasa - Thu, 27 Nov 2003 08:50:34 +0530
QUOTE(Perumal @ Nov 26 2003, 07:14 PM)

I have Bon Maharaja's translation into English. If you post your email address here I will send it to you

Dandavats. All glories to the Vaisnavas.

Please e-mail me a copy! Rasarajadasa@hotmail.com

Aspiring to be a servant of the Vaisnavas,
Rasaraja dasa
Gaurasundara - Thu, 27 Nov 2003 09:10:11 +0530
Nice to see you here, dear Sadagopan Bhagavataji. wink.gif I am familiar with your writings in Sri Vaishnava group.
braja - Thu, 27 Nov 2003 09:59:34 +0530
QUOTE(Vaishnava-das @ Nov 26 2003, 09:45 PM)
Cripes! Abe Books is still cheaper than Amazon! Do you know if they are reliable regarding secure online transactions and delivery issues?

I've bought through Abe many times and never had a problem. None of those purchases were shipped from India though as I've generally been able to find the books I wanted through a local seller. Seeing as each seller lists different payment types that they accept, it seems that the processing is not done centrally through Abebooks but by the vendors.
Babhru - Thu, 27 Nov 2003 12:24:44 +0530
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I have Bon Maharaja's translation into English. If you post your email address here I will send it to you


Me, too, please? williamr(at)hawaii.edu

And Tarun, let me know about the book.
Rasesh - Thu, 27 Nov 2003 20:06:29 +0530
QUOTE(Perumal @ Nov 27 2003, 03:14 AM)
QUOTE(Rasesh @ Nov 27 2003, 12:04 AM)
I think that there will eventually be some expert translation of BRS by a practicing devotee who represents a rupanuga parivar. I think I will hold out on getting any translation by a Sanskrit scholar who is not a dedicated and committed disciple in the parampara.

I have Bon Maharaja's translation into English. If you post your email address here I will send it to you

Visvatma

Thanks, I was looking for a copy of that book!

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