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karunamayi - Thu, 08 Sep 2005 11:15:33 +0530

Lord Ganesh Rolls Down Tears

www.hindustantimes.com

GWALIOR, MADHYA PRADESH, INDIA, September 1, 2005: The
scientific community's view that God does not exist has
been questioned again by hardcore believers following a
miracle at Gwalior's Pipaleshwar Temple where tears came
rolling down from the eyes of a Deity of Lord Ganesh, the
elephant-headed God of well-being and wisdom. According
to Lila Devi, the priest of the temple, the miracle
occurred on Wednesday evening . "At 6 o'clock when the
people came to lit a lamp they saw tears in the eyes of
Ganesh. At first, they were confused whether they should
tell about it or not but then they told about it. Since
then, people in large numbers are coming to see," said
Lila Devi. Residents of Gwalior feel that science has no
relevance in the face of this miracle. "When I was
returning from the shop in the evening at 8:30, I saw the
crowd near the temple. The people told me that Lord
Ganesh was crying. I took out my handkerchief and wiped
his tears. Then I saw a drop of tear fell on my finger.
In this modern world, science will fail before this
miracle," said K C Makheja, a resident. Devotees in large
number thronged the temple which is nearly 50 years old.
They think that it is a good omen and prayers have been
conducted. Looking at the crowd thronging the temple,
police have been deployed to maintain peace and order.

babu - Fri, 09 Sep 2005 06:45:43 +0530
Any ideas of what has brought Lord Ganesha to tears?
Sakhicharan - Fri, 09 Sep 2005 08:25:15 +0530
dunno...any idea why his tears made their way to the bio section? unsure.gif
Hari Saran - Fri, 09 Sep 2005 12:31:37 +0530
QUOTE
The scientific community's view that God does not exist has
been questioned again by hardcore believers following a
miracle at Gwalior's Pipaleshwar Temple where tears came
rolling down from the eyes of a Deity of Lord Ganesh,


... Iím particularly skeptical about it.
There are a lot of "stories" about statues crying in Catholic Churches.


Did the tears actually get to be exame in a lab?

QUOTE
At first, they were confused whether they should
tell about it or not but then they told about it. Since
then, people in large numbers are coming to see," said
Lila Devi. Residents of Gwalior feel that science has no
relevance in the face of this miracle. "When I was
returning from the shop in the evening at 8:30, I saw the
crowd near the temple. The people told me that Lord
Ganesh was crying. I took out my handkerchief and wiped
his tears. Then I saw a drop of tear fell on my finger.
In this modern world, science will fail before this
miracle," said K C Makheja, a resident.

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babu - Fri, 09 Sep 2005 18:05:36 +0530
QUOTE(Hari Saran @ Sep 9 2005, 07:01 AM)
...† Iím particularly skeptical about it.
There are a lot of "stories" about statues crying in Catholic Churches.


Did the tears actually get to be exame in a lab?


Yes, good point! This could be a case of the Ganeshas trying to keep up with the Madonnas.

It appears the scientific evidence is visible sighting of the tears manifesting themselves.

If one was to put freon tubes through a deity which would lower the temperature of that God, due to condensation tears could manifest... not that Ganesha himself wouldn't have the powers to cry.

I suggest we send a team of nobel winning scientists to investigate. Hindus though may have a problem with the caste and dietary choices of such individuals in the prescence of their Isa.

karunamayi - Fri, 09 Sep 2005 22:00:58 +0530
Few years ago after the birth in India of a child with proboscis during 1 week the murtis of Ganesh all around the world (it was witnessed also in Radhakund) were drinking milk when offered to them. It was also demonstrated in direct on one of the Italian national channel by one Indian lady living in Roma. It was amazing she was holding the teaspoon filled with milk under the proboscis of the 2 murtis (one of metal and the other one of stone) and the level of milk was lowering and reappearing flowing from under the spoon. There was a crew of scientists studying the phenomena + it was concluded that there was no tricks behing it. I could film it, if it happen you are in Radhakund from Karttik to April I can show it to you.
Karunamayi das
Jagat - Fri, 09 Sep 2005 23:48:32 +0530
I also was under the impression that Ganesh laughed rather than crying. After all, if a kid gets his head cut off and has it replaced by an elephant's head, he probably has done all the crying he is going to do.
Madhava - Fri, 09 Sep 2005 23:55:13 +0530
Now that'd be something, cryings and milk-drinkings aside. All Ganeshas worldwide bursting into laughter. laugh.gif Would be mighty difficult to explain away as a physical phenomena of sorts.
Hari Saran - Sat, 10 Sep 2005 00:24:15 +0530
QUOTE(karunamayi @ Sep 9 2005, 04:30 PM)
Few years ago after the birth in India of a child with proboscis during 1 week the murtis of Ganesh all around the world (it was witnessed also in Radhakund) were drinking milk when offered to them. It was also demonstrated in direct on one of the Italian national channel by one Indian lady living in Roma. It was amazing she was holding the teaspoon filled with milk under the proboscis of the 2 murtis (one of metal and the other one of stone) and the level of milk was lowering and reappearing flowing from under the spoon. There was a crew of scientists studying the phenomena + it was concluded that there was no tricks behing it. I could film it, if it happen you are in Radhakund from Karttik to April I can show it to you.
Karunamayi das



Thanks Karunamayi,

With all these material at hand I'm inclined to accept your evidences. However, we are talking about the "tears" not the "milk". If you could film it; yes that would be interesting!

Please, do not take me wrong, but a TV show like that in Roma would just help the Church to get stronger with their crying babies...
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Hari Saran - Sat, 10 Sep 2005 08:20:54 +0530
In addition, another reason why I may share my skepticism about deities who cries, drink milk, talk, etc, and are publicly exposed, is that if one carefully reads about Advaita Acarya Prabhu 's life, will find out that when Advita Acarya visited a Temple, if the Deity was not Real, it would explode right in front everyoneí eyes. For this reason, many Pujaris were afraid about Advaita Acarya coming to their temple.

Nowadays we may have the scientist community, which may or may not be spiritually eligible and/or politically connected with a particular religious organization that could give a honest statement about the truth of a phenomenon . Moreover, it is all a matter of faith versus reality, but again, reality which can very well be covered by those who we call for evidence. In other words, it is just wiser to be more careful (conservative, if you will), because as exemplified by Lord Advaita Acarya, deities are not the same everywhere.

Radhe-Radhe!
Madhava - Sat, 10 Sep 2005 14:53:00 +0530
That would be Abhiram Thakur, not Advaita Acharya.
karunamayi - Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:43:09 +0530
My sweating home guest Ganesh (hope he wanted to appear)
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babu - Sat, 10 Sep 2005 22:29:00 +0530
QUOTE(karunamayi @ Sep 9 2005, 04:30 PM)
Few years ago after the birth in India of a child with proboscis during 1 week the murtis of Ganesh all around the world (it was witnessed also in Radhakund) were drinking milk when offered to them.


So what has come of the child with the proboscis? I would imagine he would be quite the celebrity.
Hari Saran - Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:21:04 +0530
QUOTE(Madhava @ Sep 10 2005, 09:23 AM)
That would be Abhiram Thakur, not Advaita Acharya.



The author of the deeds maybe wrong, but the essence is right.
According to:

Sri Caitanya His Life and Associates
Srila B. Ballabh T. M.

"According to the legende, whenever Abhiram Thakura paid his obeisances to a stone or statue, if it was not Vishnu Shila or a consecrated deity, it would crack or be reduced to powder."

huh.gif However, I recall reading something about it in Advaita Prakasa, perhaps..?
Was really Abhiram Thakura, the only one ?

Thanks, anyway.
Madhava - Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:57:08 +0530
In the second chapter of Advaita Prakash, there is a story of a murti of Devi who burst into pieces, as she couldn't tolerate Advaita, his master, bowing down to her. This account actually illustrated the reality of the murti of Devi and her presence therein. This took place in Advaita Prabhu's youth.

In the narration on Abhirama Thakur, fake shalagramas would crack as he bowed down to them.
Hari Saran - Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:07:06 +0530
Thanks,

Is there (in the following pages) nothing else narrating Advaita Acarya visiting other temples?

If not, it was a real mix-up pastime. biggrin.gif

Anyhow, still that story about Lord Ganesh did not convince me, yet. whistling.gif
Madhava - Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:27:58 +0530
I skimmed through the entire text before my post, couldn't find anything else relevant. So yes, a bit mixed up. smile.gif