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Rare Indications in BRS -



DharmaChakra - Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:28:14 +0530
I notice in BRS 2.2.21, Rupa Goswamipada rather glosses over some rare indications of emotion:(from Haberman)

2.2.21 There are also other Indications, such as swelling of the body and the appearance of blood, but because they are extremely rare they are not discussed here.

Are they discussed anywhere? Are there any documentated cases of sadhus manifesting these 'rare indications?
JayF - Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:23:18 +0530
QUOTE(DharmaChakra @ Jul 23 2005, 06:58 AM)
I notice in BRS 2.2.21, Rupa Goswamipada rather glosses over some rare indications of emotion:(from Haberman)

2.2.21 There are also other Indications, such as swelling of the body and the appearance of blood, but because they are extremely rare they are not discussed here.

Are they discussed anywhere? Are there any documentated cases of sadhus manifesting these 'rare indications?



There are some wonderful past times of Lord Caitanya's body swelling so disproportionately that, to my knowledge, had never been exhibited previously.
Madhava - Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:55:09 +0530
QUOTE(DharmaChakra @ Jul 23 2005, 12:58 PM)
Are they discussed anywhere? Are there any documentated cases of sadhus manifesting these 'rare indications?

These sAttvika-bhAvas are not really all that much in the domain of sadhus as they are in the domain of the Vraja-associates.

I haven't heard that they wouldn't have ever been previously manifest. Certainly they were manifest during the earthly pastimes of Krishna.

For reference, the terms are vapur utphullata and raktodgama. The elongation or substraction of limbs aren't exactly describable as utphullata or swelling, they would be grouped in the "etc." of the verse cited.

However, both, and others, are documented in Chaitanya Caritamrita (3.10.72-75) in the context of Mahaprabhu's ecstasies at the time of the Ratha-yatra in Nilachala:

prabhu paDií mUrchA yAya, zvAsa nAhi Ara |
Acambite uThe prabhu kariyA huGkAra ||
saghana pulaka, yena zimulera taru |
kabhu praphullita aGga, kabhu haya saru ||
prati roma-kUpe haya prasveda, raktodgama |
jaja, gaga, pari, mumu, gadgada vacana ||
eka eka danta yena pRthak pRthak naDe |
aiche naDe danta, yena bhUme khasi paDe ||
kSaNe kSaNe bADe prabhura Ananda-Aveza |
tRtIya prahara ha-ila, nRtya nahe zeSa ||

Prabhu fell unconscious, his breathing ceased
and all of a sudden Prabhu stood up, roaring loudly.
His hair was constantly erect like a simula-tree,
his body was at times swollen and at times lean,
from each of his pores he sweat and blood came about,
with faltering voice he uttered, "jaja gaga pari mumu".
It seemed as if each and every tooth of his shook individually,
the teeth shaking as if becoming loose and falling to ground.
At each moment Prabhu's blissful absorption grew greater,
and at afternoon the dance still hadn't ceased.

For those curious over his muttering, he meant to chant jagamohana-pari-muNDA yAu, a line from an Orissan poem, meaning "Let my head be given in the Jagamohan", longing to place his head at the feet of Jagannath in the the entry hall of the mandir known as Jagamohan.

Most of the more dramatic and rare sAttvika-bhAvas have to do with various states of vipralambha or separation. They are considered rare due to the absence of sudUra-pravAsa (separation by prolonged distance) in the prakaTa-lIlA prior to Krishna's leaving for Mathura, as well as in the flow of aSTakAla-lIlA in the aprakaTa-dhAma.
braja - Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:47:01 +0530
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anuraag - Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:43:19 +0530
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Most of the more dramatic and rare sAttvika-bhAvas have to do with various states of vipralambha or separation.

When asked by Her Sakhi,
mahAbhAva svarUpiNI Radharani replied:

saGgama viraha vikalpe
varamiha viraho na saGgamas tasya

saGge sa iha tathaikas
tribhuvana mapi tanmayatvaM virahe


(Padyavali. 239)

hari saMyoga viyoga mahan,
baDo viyoga batAya
kAraNa yaha ki viyoga mahan,
kaNa-kaNa zyAM lakhAya


(Bhakti Shatak. 89, Sri Kripaluji Maharaj)

What Radhaji said in 'Padyavali. 239', is rephrased
in the Hindi verse of Bhakti Shatak:

For an elevated pure Rasik devotee,
separation from her Divine Beloved
is considered as the best blessing, not union,
because there is greater bliss in separation as the lover
experiences Her Beloved in everything and everywhere,
the three worlds seem completely pervaded by Her Beloved.
DharmaChakra - Sun, 24 Jul 2005 05:34:06 +0530
QUOTE(braja @ Jul 23 2005, 11:17 AM)
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Yes.. this was all just an elaborate ploy to have Braja post that picture again biggrin.gif