eternally conditioned souls - who and what was i before?

Radhe Radhe!

based on Madhavaji´s very eloquent essay about the nature of the soul,
i came across some thoughts and some questions.

the following scenario:

John McBaddha, an eternally conditioned soul, comes into contact with Krishna through his devotees.



so, after some years or whatever time he receives the seed and gets first harinama-initiation and then later on diksha-initiation.
now, by the mercy of Sri Gurudeva, the svarupa-sakti of the Lord will be put in the heart of the eternally conditioned soul and thus his body will become suitable for devotional service. the body will become spiritualized.

again later on, Sri Gurudeva rewards the faithful sadhaka with siddha-pranali and the sadhaka gets to know his eternal form, for example as a manjari.

so, now the sadhaka has the chance to "turn himself" (merge) more and more into this manjari-svarupa in accordance to his or her absorption during bhajan.

finally



so, the formerly beginninglessly conditioned soul has reached perfection.

since these qualities of the siddha-deha (sat-cit-ananda) are apparently not inherent in the mukta-jiva, the mukta-jiva must be of other qualities.

what then is the nature of the mukta-jivas?
shastra proclaims that all jivas are servants of the Lord.
what is the mukta-jiva´s form prior to the "coming-in-contact" with the sad-guru and prior to becoming acquainted with his/her eternal svarupa?



are the mukta-jivas atomic particles endowed with individual consciousness, beginninglessly in maya?

what does it mean that the body is inherent in the jiva?



so before we are something vaque like a subtle form (particle/seed/ray) and after we received the grace of Sri Guru (diksha, siddha-deha) we have an eternal form according to our spiritual desires?


Sri Gurudeva in his meditation goes to the form of the Lord as the All-Powerful Guru and this form of Krishna then tells Sri Gurudeva about the svarupa suitable for the mukta-jiva.
does that mean that Krishna already knows the eternal form of every mukta-jiva?
(especially reserved for him ?)

how does this work, considering the points from above...

please help.

sorry for causing any inconvenience.

Radhe Syam
Tarunji

Some notes on the above.

1. Regarding sat-cit-ananda in the jiva, I don't believe we can say that that is not there in the jiva. However, it is highly debatable whether the manifestations of sat, cit and ananda known as sandhini, samvit and hladini respectively -- all aspects of antaranga-shakti -- are present in the baddha-jiva, who is tatastha-sakti-prakasa. As far as my studies go, they are not.

2. That an inherent svarupa does not automatically manifest when the layers of material contamination are washed away is proven by the fact that many mukta-jivas merely merge in the formless Brahman. How would that be possible if the svarupa would automatically manifest?

3. Is our svarupa predetermined? Our svarupa is determined by the wish of Sri Krishna. He is free to hold the same opinion forever, and he is free to change his mind as well. And even if we have a latent, fixed svarupa, he is free to change that as well, whatever suits his fancy.

Radhe Radhe!

thanks. very good and interesting point.

but again, can we speak of a "form" (svarupa) of a mukta-jiva?
so many people use so many terms:
seed, spark, particle, ray,...







understood.