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simple solution - natural medicine



Kesar Chandan - Mon, 20 Dec 2004 05:45:21 +0530
I am here to share some wisdom and insights on the subject of herbal medicine and natural remedies.
Anyone that has a question about a natural solution to a health problem is welcome to ask.
Srijiva - Mon, 20 Dec 2004 06:08:51 +0530
Thank you, Kshamabuddhi prabhu, for offering your expertise!

I contracted Hep C a few years ago. I know it is common with devotees, possibly from sharing razors. It seems to lay dormant for awhile, and then crops up. What can I do early on to help?
Kesar Chandan - Mon, 20 Dec 2004 07:10:28 +0530
QUOTE(Srijiva @ Dec 19 2004, 08:38 PM)
Thank you, Kshamabuddhi prabhu, for offering your expertise!

I contracted Hep C a few years ago. I know it is common with devotees, possibly from sharing razors. It seems to lay dormant for awhile, and then crops up. What can I do early on to help?



This is a tough virus to combat. First thing to note is that viruses thrive on undigested proteins in the blood stream. Therefore, much caution must be taken in regards to the amount and form of protein that one ingests. Excess protein in the diet results in undigested proteins in the blood stream, thereby providing fuel and food to the virus.
The key to health is clean blood.
This means to get away from sugars of all kind and especially processed sugars like white sugar. Sugar is one of the main culprits in blood contamination and toxicity. Avoid most all sugar except the natural sugars derived from fruit and whole grains.
Avoid milk products if possible. Milk is very high in proteins and unless it is taken in small quantities and under the proper conditions it will contribute so much undigested protein into the blood stream. This is simply feeding the enemy.

Light diet is important, getting protein from natural beans. grains and legumes.


The old adage that the best way to get rid of an unwanted guest is to starve them out is very much applicable in the approach to dealing with viruses that thrive in the blood stream.

Metabolism is so important to fighting disease. Without good metabolism, there will be so much undigested protein in the blood and feeding viruses.

My best knowledge tells me to eat light and avoid the high protein foods.

I would take myrrh, black peppercorns, cayenne, Oregano and ginger root to aid metabolism.

Habitually take dried Oregano and suck on it like old men that chew snuff. I take 7 black peppercorns daily, a capsule of cayenne pepper.

A good multi-vitamin is helpful, but a good multi-vitamin is more expensive than the cheap synthetic vitamins.

Purifiying the blood is the whole idea.

To do that we must avoid processed sugar, high protein foods and take the purifying herbs I have mentioned already.

Eat fresh organic salad like "spring mix" daily. Find a good health food store and get some good "spring mix" of greens and eat some daily like it is medicine.

Spinach and Broccoli are very good green vegetables to eat as medicine or as salad in the offering to the deity. Eat spinach and broccoli regularly - almost on the daily basis. All dark green vegetables are very good to eat for health.

Cayenne is very powerful on the digestive system and the immune system.
Ginger powder is very good also.

Taken daily they will reduce the amount if undigested proteins in the blood.

Purify the diet. No sugar. Light diet and light proteins.

Exercise and a good suppluy of fresh oxyegn to the blood is also very important.
I jog usaully 1 or 2 miles everyday. Moderate exercise is very important to metabolism and overall health.

There are so many good foods and herbs that improve metabolism. Take them all.

There are some very good herbal formulas and natural vitamins available on the market. But, without controlling the diet, sugar intake and protein intake, there is not much that you do to fight these virulent strains that are attacking the body.

Make a tea out of "Italian Herbs". The common variety of "Italian Herbs" has sage, rosemary, thyme and oregeno and sometimes basil. They call these things "herbs" but really they are a potent natural medicine. Make a strong tea out of these "Italian Herbs" and you have one very potent herbal medicine.

Myrrh is very powerful. I think it is one of the most overlooked natural medicines in the world. I always keep it in my natural medicine chest and it is unsurpassed in fighting cold, flu and even toothache. I get the capsules of pure Myrrh and take one or two a day during cold and flu season.

Neem powder, cayenne, black peppercorn, myrrh, fresh greens - these are all part of my natural medicine program that I have found to be very useful and effective over the years.

If you are not allergic to bee pollen, then it is also a very good source for a natural anti-viral in the form of propolis. Propolis is sometimes referred to as "Russian Penicillin". Taken regularly, this propolis in bee pollen is a great boost to the immune system, as it is the natural antibiotic that bees use to keep their hives free from infection.

Milk can be our friend and milk can be our enemy if our bodies are invaded by a destructive viirus. Be careful with milk and milk products.
Srijiva - Tue, 21 Dec 2004 02:01:56 +0530
Thank you very much prabhuji, I will follow what I can. Cutting down on milk will be hard, I have a big attachment biggrin.gif but I know the importance of doing so. Cutting down on proportions will not be difficult, as I have always have eaten light, and have a high metabolism. I was suprised about Myrrh. I thought that was an incense. natural sugars, check. Cayenne pepper caps with peppercorn chasers?...gulp! it doesn't burn yr tummy? it sounds right though, and I'll give it a try.

I learned something new, Thank you!
jijaji - Tue, 21 Dec 2004 03:27:56 +0530
It's the...

Spark-Meister ..Spark-O-Rama,

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You hangin wit de sahajiyas now bro?


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babu - Tue, 21 Dec 2004 03:31:25 +0530
Any solutions for bi-polar. I'm the messiah who has come to save the earth and the psychiatrists say I'm bi-polar and so I have to find a cure for the bi-polar so it doesn't affect my messiahship.
jijaji - Tue, 21 Dec 2004 03:33:17 +0530
QUOTE(babu @ Dec 20 2004, 10:01 PM)
Any solutions for bi-polar.† I'm the messiah who has come to save the earth and the psychiatrists say I'm bi-polar and so I have to find a cure for the bi-polar so it doesn't affect my messiahship.



I preferred the term Manic-Depressive back in the day,

But then again I was a Hendrix fan!

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Anand - Tue, 21 Dec 2004 03:51:27 +0530
Ksmabudhi! What a surprise to see you here. Welcome(back). Know a cure for GD addiction?
Sakhicharan - Tue, 21 Dec 2004 07:18:37 +0530
Kshamabooty?

Rubbin shoulders with us sahajiyas heh? cool.gif

Bhaja Nitai Gaura Radhe Syama
Japa Hare Krishna Hare Rama
Kesar Chandan - Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:25:06 +0530
Sahajiyas? I am not so sure about that.

Anyway, I did not come to this forum for audience with the peanut gallery.
I happen to have some affinity for Madhava. Jagat is a nice person also.
As far as the rest of you, I am not so sure. There are some nice devotees in here and some fruitcakes as well.
It is not all ONE!
I have said more than once that I love Madhava. I visit this forum mainly to read his writings.
The rest of you?
Some good and some bad - if there is such a thing as a bad devotee. cool.gif

Talasiga - Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:00:49 +0530
QUOTE(Srijiva @ Dec 20 2004, 12:38 AM)
Thank you, Kshamabuddhi prabhu, for offering your expertise!

I contracted Hep C a few years ago. I know it is common with devotees, possibly from sharing razors. It seems to lay dormant for awhile, and then crops up. What can I do early on to help?



I do not have Hep C but I do know that the best vegetable for the liver is globe artichoke which is related to the other thistle herbs like St Mary's Thistle which is a prized herbal liver rejuvenator.

Try and eat steamed globe artichoke hearts every day - organically grown of course.

I agree with Kshama about the salads and things. A good salad for you would be any of the bitter Compositae such as dandelion, endive or chicory greens dowsed with lemon or lime juice. Of course you can mix other vegies in with these.

Although I have been a vegan for over 30 years I am not against dairy - its just that I am allergic to it. You need high quality protein in your diet and the best protein is raw milk protein from healthy, unstressed cows, sheep et al. If you can get government certified TB free unpasteurised raw milk use it in a skimmed form and curdle it naturally without applying stove fire heat.

Dr Henry Bieler (USA) did some nice writings on the virtues of raw milk VERSUS pasteurised and other heat treated milks.

If you are allergic to milk consider fresh nuts as your protein source. The protein in nuts is superior to grain and legume (beans and lentils) because it can be taken raw. However due to your liver condition you may have difficulty with the oil content in nuts.

In that case you should go for the raw protein in chick pea sprouts and mung sprouts. (BTW I pronounce mung as "moong").


Satyabhama - Thu, 23 Dec 2004 19:03:24 +0530
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I have said more than once that I love Madhava. I visit this forum mainly to read his writings.
The rest of you?


Of course we all love Madhava- even us fruitcakes. smile.gif
jijaji - Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:34:36 +0530
Yes we all love Madhava here Kshamabuddhi, but if I'm not mistaken you have on several occasions been the source of a lot of grief towards him, both here and on your own forum where you not only said some pretty nasty things about him but also his wife and her photo.
You should expect some of us to be somewhat 'curious' at least seeing your return after such behaviour..

Your lucky we only joked with you seeing you back, but you get all defensive and call us fruitcakes? Go figure.. rolleyes.gif

namaskar,

bangli
Anand - Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:12:09 +0530
QUOTE
Yes we all love Madhava here Kshamabuddhi, but if I'm not mistaken you have on several occasions been the source of a lot of grief towards him, both here and on your own forum where you not only said some pretty nasty things about him but also his wife and her photo.
You should expect some of us to be somewhat 'curious' at least seeing your return after such behaviour..

Your lucky we only joked with you seeing you back, but you get all defensive and call us fruitcakes? Go figure..†


I think sentiments of regret might be implied in Kshmabudhi's declaring his love for Madhava, but a formal apology would be nice too, wouldn't it Kshma-ji? Afer all, a healthy behavior is as important as body health...

Kesar Chandan - Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:55:11 +0530
QUOTE(Anand @ Dec 23 2004, 12:42 PM)
QUOTE
Yes we all love Madhava here Kshamabuddhi, but if I'm not mistaken you have on several occasions been the source of a lot of grief towards him, both here and on your own forum where you not only said some pretty nasty things about him but also his wife and her photo.
You should expect some of us to be somewhat 'curious' at least seeing your return after such behaviour..

Your lucky we only joked with you seeing you back, but you get all defensive and call us fruitcakes? Go figure..†


I think sentiments of regret might be implied in Kshmabudhi's declaring his love for Madhava, but a formal apology would be nice too, wouldn't it Kshma-ji? Afer all, a healthy behavior is as important as body health...



Well, I can see that my joining this forum is not being well-received, so I guess I will just move on and say good-bye.
good-bye and best wishes to all.
jijaji - Thu, 23 Dec 2004 23:05:06 +0530
Whats wrong with an Anand's suggesting an apology or my joking around with you a bit...?

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Lighten up big fella!
Anand - Thu, 23 Dec 2004 23:33:52 +0530
QUOTE
Well, I can see that my joining this forum is not being well-received, so I guess I will just move on and say good-bye.
good-bye and best wishes to all.


Oh, now, Kshamabudhi, it wasn't meant that way. Of course you are welcome here. Please stay. smile.gif
Jagat - Thu, 23 Dec 2004 23:50:08 +0530
I was in the middle of answering this thread, but was interrupted before KB made his post #15.

This is what I wanted to say: KB is of course welcome on this board. We are not narrow-minded here, and anyone who wishes to participate in the congenial spirit that has evolved on Gaudiya Discussions and is much appreciated by its members is most welcome to do so.

However, Anand and Bangli do have a point. KB has a history with some of the moderating members of this board, and it should be recalled that the stated purpose of his own Saraswata.net forum was to show how misguided everyone on this site is. The word "Sahajiya" was one that crossed KB's lips frequently, and he did not mean it sympathetically. And, indeed, the spirit of criticism he adopted did often cross the bounds of good taste, as in the Malati incident refered to by Bangli above.

So, Kshamabuddhiji, we are forgiving here, but I do think that some kind of apology is in order. After that, the slate is clean and we look forward to seeing you share with us your insights into the bhakti path and your enthusiasm for making further advancement and for serving the Vaishnavas who participate here.

As I have said to you before, your name alone, which means "the intelligence to forgive, or the forgiving mind-set" reminds us of how we are to behave toward you, but we also ask you to remember what it implies for your own Vaishnava behavior.

Om tat sat.

Jagadananda Das.
Srijiva - Fri, 24 Dec 2004 00:23:30 +0530
Hari bol!

Thank you Talasiga for your response. It is going to take some dilligent practice before my eating habits change, but if I can retrain myself on a clutch peddle, I think it should not be a lost cause.
Kesar Chandan - Fri, 24 Dec 2004 01:10:18 +0530
My apologies to Madhavananda das and his good wife.

I don't want to get into the details of how and why things escalated into such a rude outburst from me, so I won't offer any excuses or explanations - just this apology.

I'm not sure why I came back to this forum, but probably most of you all know that I closed down the saraswata.net forums. The closing of the forums was itself a form of penance and reconciliation for some of the outragious antics I performed there.

I really don't have much interest in forums anymore, but sometimes a have a few extra minutes a day for web surfing and I usually end up checking out what is the drift around here.

I guess I still have a little bit of a forum junkie in me, and there are not a lot of options on the web for serious forum discussions amongst devotees.

I guess I sort of gravitated here because it is the only serious forum for devotees that I know of. My time is very limited nowadays and I spend very little time on the internet, except to webcam and chat with my fiance in Manila.

Also, I work a lot to try and support my family and my fiance, so I really don't have much time for recreational internet activities or forum participation.

I do owe Madhava and his wife an apology, even if he did attempt tp close down my forums and threaten me with lawsuits.

My history on forums is one of an outragious non-conformist.

I am not much of a devotee anyway, and certainly no spokesman for the saraswata community. So, I closed down my forums.

Personally, I am too much of a western man I guess. There is a lot about the superstitions and beliefs of the Vaishnava scriptures that I find to be very much impractical and unreasonable in the context of the modern world.

Though I have talked all this saraswata doctrine in the past, really I am less of a vaishnava that all the "sahajiyas" of the raganuga camp. I am more westernized and more mundane that any of you, so I really have no grounds for talking saraswata doctrine.

My positions in the past have all been theoretical and philosophical, but I certainly am no example of any saraswata gaudiya vaishnava.

Why I came back to this forum? I am not sure. I guess I just get the urge sometimes to speak out and offer my views that sometimes have a slightly different subjectivity to what is commonly found on this forum.

Really, I don't have much fascination with forums anymore. I won't be around much anyway.

However, I would like to see this forum get back to what Madhava orginally wanted it for. I would like to see more serious discussions of siddhanta and lila and less trivia, gossip and current events.

There are some members here who seem to trivialize this forum with so much petty talk. Personally, I think that is a little of an insult to Madhava, Jagat and the other serious philosophers of this forum.
Jagat - Fri, 24 Dec 2004 04:47:26 +0530
Dear Kshamabuddhi,

Just treat us as your friends, and you will be welcome. Believe me, we sympathize with your situation.

It is quite natural when in the throes of the struggle for existence to feel challenged, but I have not the slightest doubt that you are a soul dear to Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. You will see, when the fire dies down a little, your samskara will awaken and your taste for bhakti will arise again. Krishna does not let his beloved stray too far.

As to your problems with mythology and such, I think you might find that the devotees here have a generally more open and sophisticated view than the ones you are accustomed to. We are mostly Westerners here, and most of us are well aware of the problems of modernity and an ancient religous system like that of the Vaishnavas.

Don't worry: If this path of devotion had meaning 500 years ago, or a 1000 years ago, and if it changed your life 30 years ago, then there is something in it that is powerful, meaningful and spiritual. Moreover, it is your path. So in your mind, even when you cease understanding what it was that changed your heart so many years ago and made you hope for something beautiful, transcendental and life-altering, at least cherish that hope and chant the Holy Name.

I know you have issues with people being nice to you, so I won't insist any further. But think about it--"No more Mister Nasty Guy!"

Jai Radhe!
Kamala - Fri, 24 Dec 2004 05:16:00 +0530
...and as I recall you taught me to make yogurt, also devotee-style pizza in San Jose, so I at least owe you a culinary debt! (unless I am mixing you up with someone else, in which case, sorry!).

And I would like to hear more about the herbal remedies you mentioned in your original post. Any ideas on what might help stabilize diabetes?
Talasiga - Fri, 24 Dec 2004 07:45:16 +0530
QUOTE(Kesar Chandan @ Dec 23 2004, 07:40 PM)
.....
Personally, I am too much of a western man I guess. There is a lot about the superstitions and beliefs of the Vaishnava scriptures that I find to be very much impractical and unreasonable in the context of the modern world.
......



It is not western to query and challenge but to draw and shoot on the slightest provocation - this the stuff of the western. There is blood on the path for the thorn pierced walk there also. To love the path and still to kick the stones on it - this is a worthy sadhana. My greetings to you. When you heard that flute, she heard you too.


Jay Bansilata!
Kesar Chandan - Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:56:07 +0530
QUOTE(Kamala @ Dec 23 2004, 07:46 PM)
...and as I recall you taught me to make yogurt, also devotee-style pizza in San Jose, so I at least owe you a culinary debt! (unless I am mixing you up with someone else, in which case, sorry!).

And I would like to hear more about the herbal remedies you mentioned in your original post. Any ideas on what might help stabilize diabetes?



Kamala? Are you the English devotee lady I worked with in the kitchen in San Jose? I have an 11 year old daughter named Kamala Manjari. I also have a 16 year old daughter named Rasika Kripamoya and an 18 year old son named Nitai Prasad.

There are two types of diabetes mellitus. Childhood-onset diabetes is also called type 1, or insulin-dependent, diabetes. In type 1 diabetes, the pancreas cannot make the insulin needed to process glucose. Natural therapies cannot cure type 1 diabetes, but they may help by making the body more receptive to insulin supplied by injection. It is particularly critical for people with type 1 diabetes to work carefully with the doctor prescribing insulin before contemplating the use of any herbs, supplements, or dietary changes mentioned in this article. Any change that makes the body more receptive to insulin could require critical changes in insulin dosage that must be determined by the treating physician.

Adult-onset diabetes is also called type 2, or non-insulin-dependent, diabetes. With type 2 diabetes, the pancreas often makes enough insulin, but the body has trouble using the insulin. Type 2 diabetes responds well to natural therapies.


The current buzz in the natural medicine field about treating diabetes is COROSOLIC ACID.
It has also been shown that CHROMIUM is a vital element for maintaining normal insulin levels.

I will share some links for you research.

https://www.realfoodnutrients.com/db/Causes.htm

http://www.corosolic.com/

http://www.amermed.com/sugarlow.htm

http://www.bulkbanaba.com/dried_leaves.php

So, you might want to do some thorough study into the COROSOLIC ACID remedy and also find a good vitamin supplement that has some bio-available CHROMIUM in the formula.

Here is a link to a very good vitamin supplement that is food-based.

http://www.nutritionalremedies.com
lotus-bud - Fri, 24 Dec 2004 15:32:51 +0530
QUOTE(bangli @ Dec 23 2004, 04:04 PM)
Yes we all love Madhava here Kshamabuddhi, but if I'm not mistaken you have on several occasions been the source of a lot of grief towards him, both here and on your own forum where you not only said some pretty nasty things about him but also his wife and her photo.
You should expect some of us to be somewhat 'curious' at least seeing your return after such behaviour..

Your lucky we only joked with you seeing you back, but you get all defensive and call us fruitcakes? Go figure.. rolleyes.gif

namaskar,

bangli


I'm confused .......you have so much heart and love for Madhava and would never speak a harsh word against him , yet for me they came thick and fast to the point of my shaking with fear and confusion ?
Kamala - Fri, 24 Dec 2004 15:51:30 +0530
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Kamala? Are you the English devotee lady I worked with in the kitchen in San Jose?

Yes, that's me. Bhakti Sudhir Goswami gave me the name Kamala Manjari at first initiation, but at Srila Sridhar Maharaj's request it was changed to just Kamala at 2nd initiation. (Some reasons were given, but I think that since my elder godsister had been given the name Ananga Manjari, there was a concern that people might think we were into some kind of apasiddhantic misconception!) Sudhir released me from that diksa connection in 2000, but I still hold him in high esteem, not least because I am very grateful for him giving me shelter when I was a lost cause!

Anyway, I inherited the kitchen after you left. I was never able to replicate the intense lobha that you generated with your Saturday morning pancakes and blueberry yoghurt - that dish I recall had to be banned as it was causing the brahmacaris to riot over fears they would not get enough! Anyway, I've lost touch with almost everyone from those days (20 years ago - yikes, where did my life go!) so send me a PM if you have any news or updates about the old gang.

Thanks for the links on diabetes, I will check them out. I have Type 1 which I got soon after leaving San Jose in about 1986. I guess leaving the temple and developing diabetes were both symptoms of my aversion to "sweetness" biggrin.gif But apart from the inconvenience of injecting insulin, and having to stay away from honey-soaked gulabjamuns ( sad.gif ) it has not caused me any problems.

Anyway, wishing you all the best for the future.
Kamala
Madhava - Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:13:04 +0530
QUOTE(lotus-bud @ Dec 24 2004, 11:02 AM)
I'm confused .......you have so much heart and love for Madhava and would never speak a harsh word against him , yet for me they came thick and fast to the point of my shaking with fear and confusion ?

Do we know you? For the first post in the forums, the one above sure seems awfully strange. Given that this is your first post, it is unlikely that Bangli has ever said anything of you at Gaudiya Discussions. Hence, it is pretty pointless to speak of whatever private issues you may have with him in here. Keep it in PMs or e-mails, please.
lotus-bud - Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:37:48 +0530
QUOTE(Madhava @ Dec 24 2004, 10:43 AM)
QUOTE(lotus-bud @ Dec 24 2004, 11:02 AM)
I'm confused .......you have so much heart and love for Madhava and would never speak a harsh word against him , yet for me they came thick and fast to the point of my shaking with fear and confusion ?

Do we know you? For the first post in the forums, the one above sure seems awfully strange. Given that this is your first post, it is unlikely that Bangli has ever said anything of you at Gaudiya Discussions. Hence, it is pretty pointless to speak of whatever private issues you may have with him in here. Keep it in PMs or e-mails, please.



I see you have a problem with first posters here not getting your approval rating , or is that you are supporting a person who supports you , which is a natural occurance , or is it that you know more than you are saying about me .
Merry Christmas
Anand - Fri, 24 Dec 2004 17:13:01 +0530
QUOTE
I see you have a problem with first posters here not getting your approval rating , or is that you are supporting a person who supports you , which is a natural occurance , or is it that you know more than you are saying about me .
Merry Christmas


Are we having a Christmas reunion here...
Madhava - Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:51:59 +0530
QUOTE(lotus-bud @ Dec 24 2004, 12:07 PM)
I see you have a problem with first posters here not getting your approval rating , or is that you are supporting a person who supports you , which is a natural occurance , or is it that you know more than you are saying about me .

I happen to have a problem with first posters whose first post is about how this and that is so bad, and how politics blame critique problem disagreement quarrel. Yes, they don't get my approval rating, and if they feel bad about that, I heartily encourage them to post in some other forums. Here we welcome people who are primarily concerned in finding the good in others, and who are eager to discuss various topics concerning the teachings of Sri Chaitanya and the Goswamis of Vrindavan. If you would like to be such a person, then that would be wonderful indeed. Would you do that for me, for Christmas's sake if nothing else?
Madhava - Fri, 24 Dec 2004 20:04:32 +0530
Regarding Kshamabuddhi, since some have PMd me and asked about his appearance in the forums, first of all my heartily thanks for the apologies he has extended to whomever it may concern. Second, beyond that I don't think anyone should try to have him crawl in the door, he has apologized now, so let us treat him with all due dignity.

Kshama's knowledge of various natural remedies is certainly a resource for anyone concerned over keeping this vessel of bhajan in a reasonable shape, and therefore of course the posts especially in this section are very welcome. However I would hope to avoid any Saraswata vs. Others conflicts and debates, as I trust we have all read our history here and know where they easily lead.
jijaji - Fri, 24 Dec 2004 21:36:17 +0530
Kshamabuddhi,

I follow a low-carb diet and cannot eat sugar, it is the only way I can eat anymore it seems. I have a history of diabetes in my family, however it has not manifested in me.
I only seem to have a sugar/carb sensitivity and do well if those are avoided.
I would appreciate any words you may have on this.

namaskar,

bangli
jijaji - Fri, 24 Dec 2004 21:45:34 +0530
lotus-bud,

You can PM me if you like, this is not like other forums you may be familier with.

namaskar,

bangli
Sakhicharan - Fri, 24 Dec 2004 22:03:35 +0530
QUOTE(bangli @ Dec 24 2004, 10:06 AM)
Kshamabuddhi,

I follow a low-carb diet and cannot eat sugar, it is the only way I can eat anymore it seems. I have a history of diabetes in my family, however it has not manifested in me.
I only seem to have a sugar/carb sensitivity and do well if those are avoided.
I would appreciate any words you may have on this.

namaskar,

bangli



Ksamabuddhiji,

I second this, however the only difference is there is no history of diabetes in my family, I just am aware that I also have a sugar sensitivity and am so much healthier since I gave up taking any sugar. I eat a moderate carb diet.
Any suggestions?
Kesar Chandan - Fri, 24 Dec 2004 22:04:03 +0530
QUOTE(Kamala @ Dec 24 2004, 06:21 AM)
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Kamala? Are you the English devotee lady I worked with in the kitchen in San Jose?

Yes, that's me. Bhakti Sudhir Goswami gave me the name Kamala Manjari at first initiation, but at Srila Sridhar Maharaj's request it was changed to just Kamala at 2nd initiation.
Anyway, wishing you all the best for the future.
Kamala



It's nice to hear from you after all these years. I can't resist the opportunity here to tease you a little though.
Didn't I ask you if you would consider to marry me? blush.gif
Working with you is what turned me around from 7 years of wanting to become a sannyasi. biggrin.gif I have never been the same since. ohmy.gif
Working with with you in the kitchen in San Jose is what made me realize that I was not ready for sannyasa, even though I had Goswami Maharaja's recommendation and I was preparing to go to Navadvip and take sannyasa from Srila Sridhar Maharaja.
I had never really been in that close of proximity to a beautiful woman in my life as a brahmacary. I thought I was more or less beyond attraction to women.
Working with you in the kitchen in San Jose showed me how very wrong I was.
When I realized how much attraction I actually had for beautiful women, I gave up my ambition to be a sannyasi.
You were a VERY attractive lady and the English accent was very intriguing to me.
In the sari and tilak you looked liked a Hindu goddess. biggrin.gif

Anyway, I am a teaser. I couldn't resist the opportunity to tease you a little here on the forum.

I will PM you with what little I know about any of the devotees from the old San Jose temple.
Kamala - Fri, 24 Dec 2004 22:37:10 +0530
Well I'm glad I turned someone away from the red cloth, as I don't think that is a very good idea nowadays. But anyway I'm a 40 year old troll now, so that's life!

If you want to chat more, PM me rather than posting here please, as I'm feeling very embarassed! blush.gif
Kesar Chandan - Fri, 24 Dec 2004 23:01:06 +0530
In regards to the topic of diabetic problems from a couple of recent posts, I would like to post this little snippet about the evils of sugar.
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Nearly all forms of sugar (including honey) interfere with the ability of white blood cells to destroy bacteria. In one study, when healthy volunteers consumed a large amount (100g) of refined sugar, their white blood cellsí ability to destroy bacteria was impaired for at least 5 hours.


Refined sugars are bad news for anybody, especially those who are prone to diabetic conditions.
A little raw honey is OK for those who are not diabetic, but otherwise it is also a big strain on the blood stream.

I recommend eveyone who has a diabetic predisposition to find a good natural vitamin supplement that will supply the trace minerals and nutrients that are missing in our diets.

I will share some more links here that are very valuable resources.

Purity products has some very good health products. Check out the GREENS formula they have.

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Puritans Pride is the CHEAPEST source for a lot of good health products you can find on the WEB . They have many outstanding products and their prices are unsurpassed ANYWHERE!

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Here is a good link with information very useful for diabetic living.

http://www.puritan.com/vf/healthnotes/HN_l...ntent=All_Index
Kesar Chandan - Fri, 24 Dec 2004 23:12:26 +0530
QUOTE(Kamala @ Dec 24 2004, 01:07 PM)
Well I'm glad I turned someone away from the red cloth, as I don't think that is a very good idea nowadays. But anyway I'm a 40 year old troll now, so that's life!

If you want to chat more, PM me rather than posting here please, as I'm feeling very embarassed!† blush.gif



Well, I just got a message from one of the moderators about curtailing my public flirting with you.
Here was my reply to him.

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Well, I am sorry that you find my teasing to be flirtatious. I already have a fiance in Manila and I am planning to get married in March.
I am certainly not flirting with anyone on this forum. I was just teasing an old acquaintence. It had nothing to do with flirting.
Maybe you should not be so quick to make assumptions about my intentions? I have no amorous ideas about Kamala and I am sure she is a housewife caught in the net of householder life.
Flirting has nothing to do with it. I was just joking around with an old acquaintence. I already have a beautiful 31 year old fiance in Manila and I am not at all interested in Kamala for the purposes of flirting.


Now, maybe that this has been said we can continue with the discussion of health-related topics.
Kesar Chandan - Sat, 25 Dec 2004 00:03:52 +0530
As far as the issue of my "flirting" with Kamala in this thread, I would just like to explain myself to anyone who might have a problem with my posts.

I thought maybe the members here would be entertained a little to know that two old acquaintences have met again here after some 20 years. I thought I would narrate a little of the history to share with the members about the novelty of having met an old acquaintence here after 20 years.

Apparently. one of the moderators finds my personality and my character to be objectionable. I thought that maybe there would be no harm in showing to the members the actual novelty of my having run into Kamala here on this forum after some 20 years.

It was not taken in the way I intended.

I already have a very sweet. simple and lovely fiance in the Philippines that I have been supporting there for several months now. I was not making moves on Kamala in this forum or on this thread.

I was just trying to share with the other members something to show about our history in the San Jose temple so they could appreciate the novelty of our having crossed paths again in this forum.

I was not flirting with Kamala, as one moderator has suggested.

Here again, this is just another example of how forums can many times be very misleading about knowing and understanding each other. Apart from the actual words - the mood, the intonation and the flavor are often missed with simple words on a forum.

Joking with an old acquaintence for the entertainment and pleasure of the other members has been taken as flirting and sexual advances.

There is a lot to be desired about forum association and inter-action. It can many times just flat out give the wrong impression of one's actual meaning and intent.
Jagat - Sat, 25 Dec 2004 00:08:35 +0530


QUOTE(Kshamabuddhi wrote)
However, I would like to see this forum get back to what Madhava orginally wanted it for. I would like to see more serious discussions of siddhanta and lila and less trivia, gossip and current events.

There are some members here who seem to trivialize this forum with so much petty talk. Personally, I think that is a little of an insult to Madhava, Jagat and the other serious philosophers of this forum.


I am in total agreement with this. Therefore, we ask that details of people's personal lives, or anything that could be misconstrued or is embarrassing to another member of the forum, please be confined to personal messages. That's all.

My apologies to anyone who may have misunderstood my motivations in making this request.
Kesar Chandan - Sat, 25 Dec 2004 00:20:19 +0530
QUOTE(Jagat @ Dec 24 2004, 02:38 PM)
QUOTE(Kshamabuddhi wrote)
However, I would like to see this forum get back to what Madhava orginally wanted it for. I would like to see more serious discussions of siddhanta and lila and less trivia, gossip and current events.

There are some members here who seem to trivialize this forum with so much petty talk. Personally, I think that is a little of an insult to Madhava, Jagat and the other serious philosophers of this forum.


I am in total agreement with this. Therefore, we ask that details of people's personal lives, or anything that could be misconstrued or is embarrassing to another member of the forum, please be confined to personal messages. That's all.

My apologies to anyone who may have misunderstood my motivations in making this request.



Considering that I am not a full-member and eligible to post in the philosophy threads, I don't see how I am supposed to contribute anything to the philosophical discussions.
This thread was started by me in the Health topics section. There should be a little license for some personal expression.
As far as the reference to my calling for more serious discsussions here, I would think that it should be understood that such discussions can only be started by full-members in the philosophy threads.
I am not the one posting silly pictures and starting silly topics.
I revealed something about the history of Kamala and myself in the San Jose temple to show the novelty of our having met here after some 20 years.

Maybe you should request the full-members, who have eligibilty, to conduct all the serious discussion of philosophy and lighten-up a little on us probationary memebrs to bring this forum up to a higher standard?
jijaji - Sat, 25 Dec 2004 00:20:37 +0530
I do want to add that this is a 'Sanga' and a sanga is made up of various people who have different personalities. We are not all sanskrit scholars nor need to be, but I for one am most happy to be part of a 'Sanga' that has such noteworthy individuals like Jagat, Madhva etc. who are here to share their wisdom and understanding of Gaudiya Siddhanta..
However in association with one another sometimes we have fun and joke or speak on other subjects such as 'Health', 'The Arts', 'Christmas', 'Paganism' etc.
And that is all fine and good as long as we are respectful to others and remember we are here mainly as Chaitanya Vaishnavas to have association and hear about Gaudiya Siddhanta.

namaskar,

bangli
Jagat - Sat, 25 Dec 2004 01:02:58 +0530
OK. Let's leave this issue for the time being. I'll talk to Madhava about the full member status.
Talasiga - Sat, 25 Dec 2004 06:46:25 +0530
Harmless flirting is good for health. I flirt all the time even though I am not aware of it. My wife has watched me talking to people and she observed me winking and wiggling my eyebrows even as I made a a serious and deep philosophical point. I did not know I was doing this.

When I was working in a corporation some years ago, at management meetings people would begin smiling and laughing when I spoke even though I might have been criticising someone or some project. One day after the meeting I asked my boss what was so funny and she said, "Its the way you arch your eyebrows when you're angry."

So flirting can be the sugar that helps the medicine go down. However, diabetics should not flirt unless they are taking chromium supplements.
Jagat - Sat, 25 Dec 2004 17:50:23 +0530
Interesting, Talasiga. I have been encountering a similar problem. Do you think it's something that happens to Krishna, too? Radharani gets angry with him for flirting with other gopis when it's only her that he loves? Do you think that maybe Krishna has an uncontrollable eyebrow thing, or is it that he just responds to the other gopis as individuals?
Talasiga - Sat, 25 Dec 2004 19:02:46 +0530
QUOTE(Jagat @ Dec 25 2004, 12:20 PM)
Interesting, Talasiga. I have been encountering a similar problem. Do you think it's something that happens to Krishna, too? Radharani gets angry with him for flirting with other gopis when it's only her that he loves? Do you think that maybe Krishna has an uncontrollable eyebrow thing, or is it that he just responds to the other gopis as individuals?



I don't know Jagatji. I have not seen Krishna with any Gopi but one and I have not seen her angry with him. So you will see that my vision is limited. Perhaps I am really a Shaiva. All this automatic eyebrow raising has left three permanent horizontal creases on my forehead (truly). Will holy basil cure this, Kshama?

Satyam Shivam Sundaram
Jagat - Sat, 25 Dec 2004 19:38:23 +0530
Interesting point, Talasiga. I also have urdhva pundra more or less furrowed into my forehead. Unfortunately, the lines are a little crooked and don't reach all the way to the top. I always took them as a sign of excessive worry, but you have helped me to see them as a sign of mercy.

As to Radha's anger and jealousy, what can I say about her durjaya mAna? And what can I say about that Krishna's philandering ways? He must think he's God or something, the way he loves just everyone.
Talasiga - Sat, 25 Dec 2004 20:53:21 +0530
QUOTE(Jagat @ Dec 25 2004, 02:08 PM)
Interesting point, Talasiga. I also have urdhva pundra more or less furrowed into my forehead. Unfortunately, the lines are a little crooked and don't reach all the way to the top. I always took them as a sign of excessive worry, but you have helped me to see them as a sign of mercy.

As to Radha's anger and jealousy, what can I say about her durjaya mAna? And what can I say about that Krishna's philandering ways? He must think he's God or something, the way he loves just everyone.




Teenage girls and married maidens claiming seduction by a seven year old! This is called philandering with the facts! If art is the lie that reveals the truth, then this is the greatest art - the art of the Gopis!
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Jay Gopi Manohar Giridhar Gopaal
Jagat - Sat, 25 Dec 2004 21:49:31 +0530
Just back to the forehead lines question. I wonder what a facial lines analyst would say about the two sampradayas choice of tilak? This alone may reveal everything we need to know about the respective psychologies of Vaishnavas and Shaivas.

Something to think about...
Tapati - Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:50:02 +0530
Back to the original topic and some of the questions about diabetes.

One of the most important points in preventing and controlling diabetes (Type II although it helps Type I as well) is exercise. As much if not more than diet changes, exercise helps the body in numerous ways to normalize the body's balance of sugar and insulin. In pre-diabetics it will delay or prevent the onset and enable a person who has metabolic disorder to lose weight and counteract the cells' resistance to insulin. The overall hormone balance is improved as well. Every single source I encounter in the world of allopathic medicine emphasizes exercise on a daily basis if possible. (Of course natural medicine has long advocated movement as well, so that goes without saying.)

If you have one choice to make that you can follow through on--eliminating sugar/white flour or exercising, and you are pre-diabetic, I would say start with exercise and at least reduce sugar if you can't eliminate it. Ideal--do both, of course. If you find such changes difficult, start with the exercise and you may start feeling so good you'll turn down the seeming quick fix of sugar boosts.

My 2 cents' worth.

(In learning about heart disease I've also received a lot of material about diabetes and the connection between the two.)